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New Found Overland in the HOUSE !
We then navigate the complexities of off-road vehicle modifications and upgrades, discussing everything from lift kits and springs to shocks and sway bar adjustments. Benji shares his insights on Iron Man constant load springs and the decision to remove sway bars for improved vehicle performance. Listen to our comprehensive comparisons between shocks like Rough Country and Bilstein 6112s, and understand the importance of valving and spring rates. This episode also highlights the trial-and-error process of building an off-road rig and the invaluable lessons learned through necessity.
Finally, we traverse the diverse landscape of overlanding events and travel destinations, sharing our favorite spots and personal experiences. From the upper peninsula of Michigan to the scenic routes of Colorado, we cover the joys and challenges of high-altitude adventures and vehicle maintenance. We delve into the evolution and restoration of Toyota SUV models, focusing on the 4Runner and Land Cruiser series. Plus, we'll talk about the modern challenges of turbocharged engines and the importance of vehicle identity in the overlanding community. Whether you're an overlanding veteran or a curious newcomer, this episode offers a wealth of knowledge and inspiration.
I so. So, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to Outskirts Overland. Today I've got Benji in here with me, as you can see. Hi, benji, hello, whoopji, Hello. So today me and Benji are going to do a little collaborate and just kind of catch it up so you guys can get a little bit of Benji Charlie time today, a little of the warm and fuzzies. But before we get kicking, I got to go through my housekeeping stuff, got to let you guys know go check outota trucks of arkansas on facebook.
Speaker 1:If you're a midwest toyota fan, and also if you are interested in onyx off-road, go ahead on over to onyx off-road and you can get 20 off if you use the code global overland 236. So onyx off-road has offline maps. Just it's got all the trails already mapped. You don't have to download any files, it's all already there. So it's really convenient and usable for you there. So go on over there, use code GLOBALOVERLAND236, and you'll get 20% off. All right Housekeeping is done. So, guys, today I got Benji on For you that don't know. Benji is newfound overland. He also has a podcast. He previously had a very large Facebook group and Facebook and podcasts associated with it Budget overland. He started his new thing here. Um, a lot like myself around the same time. So I've got Benji here. Benji, go ahead, and for those of you that don't know who you are, don't know what you're doing, go ahead and introduce yourself. Talk about newfound a little bit and we'll go from there.
Speaker 2:Right on, man. I'm glad this worked out, I'm glad to be on the show and we could collab back and forth because we got some different styles, but I think ultimately we uh we both have the same kind of thinking towards certain things. But anyway, newfound overland as most of you all know, overlanding is kind of a word that's been thrown around loosely. So I had a hard time with budget overland, you know, always constantly trying to define it because everyone's budget's different. And it got to the point to where that was the main focus and not the actual adventure part. So a lot of people would post the rigs or would not post the rigs in fear of being ostracized and all that stuff. So, anyway, I was on this hunt and there were some other things associated with with starting new. But anyway, choosing the name new found, I just wanted, uh, that's that's for those who go out and do it and they don't need a name to define it so and it covers everybody. So there you go right not not defining it through.
Speaker 2:You know any specifics of a name that kind of puts it in its own just corner yeah, and I mean, if you, if you go to events, which I'm sure most of your listeners do um, you can look out in the parking lot and there's 50 rigs out there that are not the same. You know, there's 100 rigs that are not the same and everything's built different because they're built for those people who are driving them. They're not built for us, you know, because everybody's stuff's different.
Speaker 1:So yeah, and that that's like a whole nother topic too is like even amidst all this gear, you'll see some universal pieces of gear like awnings or lifts. Everybody's compilation of things is different. I mean, everybody's stuff's different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really fun to see that too, because someone in United by Overland that was the Budget Overland Facebook group and I wanted nothing to do with the Facebook group, so I just changed the name and threw it in good hands and those guys are running it pretty well and uh, so someone posted there the other day what kind of uh like grill should he get? And he's like I'm torn between a blackstone and a scottle, so both of those are relatively in it. Uh, two to three hundred bucks, all right, ish, there's deals. So I have the uh jet boil genesis base camp, which is in the same bracket, and it's significantly more compact and practical, I think if you travel often.
Speaker 2:And uh, I guess that wasn't a good, a good suggestion for his um loadout or whatever his situation, which I sit back and I'm like well, that's cool, because he's got a different perspective or a different need for a grill than I do. So just the differences in how everybody does their thing. There's no right answer. You know, to me that's the right answer, but to him he was just like man, thank you, but no yeah, and he wanted to go with a scottle or a blackstone the blackstones are huge yeah, I know tyson has my blackstone.
Speaker 1:I had a blackstone. I actually have a jet boil base camp just like yours for sale right now.
Speaker 2:I got, I don't want it anymore hey, we'll talk off air because, uh, my buddy might be needing one, it's here.
Speaker 1:Yep, he can buy it from me. What do you cook on? So I got a fire maple, stainless steel single burner. Yeah, yeah, somebody just goes. He just doesn't cook. I do cook, oh man.
Speaker 2:I do cook. I'm too old for bologna sandwiches every night. Peanut butter trail sandwiches but my biggest.
Speaker 1:So I'm not a big foodie. So how well the temperature control is or anything, doesn't matter to me. What I care most about is how quick I can cook and it cools off to put it away so I can continue on. So I care a lot about, like, how fast it dissipates the heat when I'm done with it.
Speaker 2:That's what's surprising about Jetboil, because I was always kind of anti them because they were just so expensive. But they know what they're doing. I mean they've they've R&D'd the crap out of this stuff. They've talked to people like hikers and stuff. People like are on the move, on the go, so like their, their coil system or whatever you know, for heating up it's quicker and for cooling down it's significantly quicker. So those are very good points.
Speaker 1:I just don't need the. It's actually too, the base camp's just too big for me. I have a single C to summit eight inch pan and that fire maple single burner stove and it runs on the same fuel as the little jet boil. So I'm not also carrying propane now too. Yeah, I'm just carrying the isobutane stuff. But yeah, that's a big, that's a big one. Yeah, boondock haverlock just said the blackstone griddle burner fits great in our, fits great in our drawer. Let me tell you something though you've got a tacoma, my man, that gv gvw is going to start getting you, my man. You got drawers and a blackstone, and I don't think overlanders.
Speaker 2:Look at gvws. I think I do. I know it, I know it, but to a point you look at a vehicle that's 5,500 pounds fully. If it's OEM 5,500 pounds, boom, that's your max. Well, most people that do this are probably over the GBWR by like 2,000 pounds.
Speaker 1:You think so?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Have you weighed?
Speaker 2:yours? Yes, 5,500 pounds, with no water, that was a full tank of gas and no passengers. And that's fridge recovery. My little drawer system that has everything under the sun, my rooftop tent, spare tire, trasharoo, full armor. So she's heavy, I.
Speaker 1:I think I was at, I think full of gas myself, water and my spare. I was at 5,700.
Speaker 2:But you don't. You still have a deck system though, don't you? Or did you get rid of that?
Speaker 1:No, I have it, and I have a 75 liter fridge.
Speaker 2:Hmm, so I have a big fridge.
Speaker 1:That's not bad. That's light to me. No, but I pay a lot of attention. I mean sure, yeah, you got to watch that stuff you have to pay attention to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, uh. As a matter of fact, my friend chris is on here that's that's line break and he had a tacoma with uh and he used to do tubs in the back. He had a rack and and I he, he may be, he may comment, but when we'd wheel he was even like why is your tacoma not having problems with this and mine is? And I was like it's heavier, it's way heavier and uh, it's a big.
Speaker 1:I mean that's a huge deal. I take mine to those cat scales all the time after I do like upgrades and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think you should. I think at least a couple times a year you should go and check. You know summer and fall loadouts are going to be different than winter and spring, so they're they're all different considerations and you don't want to put yourself at risk and you don't want to be tearing crap up on the trail either. You know if you're too heavy and hitting stuff, obstacles too hard, because you have to but you really shouldn't.
Speaker 1:But yeah, but I mean, that's just how it goes. I mean, I just broke a shock last year um a front strut and I mean, and you broke half your truck. So mine.
Speaker 2:Uh, I took a downgrade. I went from 488 gears real quick back down to 430s, unintentionally. But how you liking that? I hate it. I absolutely hate it. But I've been fighting a nasty vibration forever which, if people have listened to the show over, even on budget overland, I'd complain about it. But I feel like I'm finally chasing it down.
Speaker 2:Um, and I I realized the shop I've been taking my tires to to do a balance probably aren't doing it right. You think it's your tires? I think they're there. It's a negative 12 offset wheel. So whenever they throw it on the machine I feel like they're balancing it as if it was bore-centric, which it's supposed to be. But with the offset I think it's throwing out the balance once it's mounted to my vehicle. So once I put it on the hub, if I have them balance it as a lug-centric wheel, I'm betting it will drive 10,000 times more better.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to experiment with that, hopefully this week, because I've got a trip coming up and I got to do some other minor details to get it. So the other thing, if it's not that I need to get different CV axles because something is causing those front tires to just it feels like it's a road hop a little bit, but you get nothing in the back. So I've been messing with this for over a bit, but you get nothing in the back. I've been messing with this for over a year. Everything's brand new in the front Everything Bushings, lower control arms, steering rack, steering rack, bushings Everything associated with it has been changed.
Speaker 1:It has been frustrating the last year and a half, just messing with that. Does yours have that cv needle bearing? Cv needle bearing on the tacoma? On the driver's side there's a oh, no, no, no, no, like east coast gear supply cells yeah yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:That's for more of a howling grinding issue. Sometimes you could get a hop out of it, but I've already replaced that. Yeah, okay, I was wondering all this, all this dumbest things you could think a hop out of it, but I've already replaced that. Yeah, okay, I was wondering all this, all this dumbest things you could think of that might be in, and you're like, oh yes, this is going to finally fix it and you bust it apart and you throw it all back together and you're like, well, that was a waste of time. Yeah, I have, and I had that all taken apart too.
Speaker 1:Tyson, good seeing you, bud yeah, he tyson just asked have you had your steering, your steering shaft checked? I had a vibration and I ended up having to drop my uh yeah, my drive shaft a little bit.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you drop, kind of oh.
Speaker 1:Really Mm-hmm. Yeah, I had a vibration because I have a two-piece and it was kind of doing like this. So I had to right there where it mounts the and I just lost the word, but anyways the carrier bearing. Yeah, I dropped the carrier bearing to decrease the angle a little bit.
Speaker 2:So is there a kit for that, or did you just kind of make something?
Speaker 1:there is but you're pretty. You're pretty, I mean, after I got the kit.
Speaker 2:It's just shims, like, like it is for your sway bar relocation like how, how big of a lift are you running now three?
Speaker 1:um well, I have heavy duty springs in the rear. I'm probably a little. I'm probably three inch front and three inch rear actually loaded and everything you're still about three inches. Oh yeah, it's like four and a half unloaded right, it's way way when I take all my crap out of the back hatch of mine.
Speaker 2:I'm serious, it's probably. It probably triples almost the uh, the actual gap there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I actually even just put those like big, huge bump stops on the rear too to help it out a little bit. So that was have you noticed?
Speaker 2:that Is that. Have you made contact with those enough to notice?
Speaker 1:I broke a shock. Yeah, oh she, that's how I broke. My shock was hitting too much, though.
Speaker 2:But what after you put the new ones on? No was hitting well too much, though.
Speaker 1:But after you put the new ones on, no, no, no, no, no, no. And yes, um boo. Doc taverlock said I got iron man springs. Yes, I have iron man constant loads sweet, and they are beef huge, they're beefy, they're super beefy. Uh.
Speaker 2:I like watching you guys with the third gen tacos, because eventually I'd like to get one, but I want to see what's working for you guys. So then I can approach it with a better, you know angle, because a lot of people back when they first came out, you know they just go buy all this crap. And then obviously there's their little issues with the, the transmission gear hunting. Now you got to get the tuners the front. Uh, what body bracket relocation kit or something like that, all those little quirky things. I'm taking notes. So, and now with your drive shaft, with the dampener or whatever?
Speaker 1:yeah, space, the, the. Yeah, put spacers on in tyson city. Seen people use washers to space the space. Uh, yeah that makes sense I mean, yeah, it'll work fine, but yeah, you gotta do the cab mount shop. I got pinch welds beat in. Yeah, I don't have sway bars at all are you like? That. Have you ever noticed it? Oh it's. It's a cheat code, but really so.
Speaker 2:Have you ever you've driven other ifs vehicles? Yeah, like okay, without the sway bars on those as well, or you have anything kind of compared to other than a solid?
Speaker 1:axle, maybe I've got videos. Tyson even has videos of my truck, um, of my truck picking up doing the taco wave. Yeah, and with the sway bar removed, it's, it's, it's not picking anything you're just you're just full drooped, it's just doing the thing. It's like a dinosaur.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weird yeah, it's like pretty it's pretty awesome it is like no tire slips what's that company that just released quick releases for the uh apex, apex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't need it it's, it's expensive and you got to do some welding. I saw that I would put it on his.
Speaker 2:I'm totally like, um, I'm totally afraid of not running um sway bars in links just because mine's so road crazy. Anyway, I would. I would hate to see how it would react if I actually gave it more movement, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I have. So I did upgrade the heavier Springs in the front, but I also got more uh, digressively valved shocks, so that controls a lot of the sway, meaning that, like the abrupt stuff is stiffer, but then as you get into flexing, it's soft what shocks are those? That I have rough countries on it right now, but that's this. They're the uh.
Speaker 2:They're similar to the bilstein 6112s I didn't know, they still made the 6112s unless there was another shock or strut.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking of they still do make the 612 for sure, and I think that's what a lot of. So the 5100, as you know, is like the normal, like that's what I've got that's what I've got, but guys that typically have full skids and bumpers and stuff like mountain yodas would recommend the 6112s at that point. Okay, so that's pretty cool. They're just because of the digressive valving, which is essentially just like stiffer to softer versus like just a progressive like the 5100 would be an ordinary yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the valving, uh, it makes I, I and again, this is like my third suspension on my truck and I'm just starting to figure like there's stuff that we all have our like niche of something. We know a good amount about shock valving and spring rates, and that's not my it's.
Speaker 2:It's the things that I know the most about I've learned because they were a necessity to address. So it's not like you just got all this knowledge. Just like your build. You know it's. It's. Most people get confused that it's. It's a blink of an eye Poof there's your build. Nah, it's multiple stages and trial and errors. But the same way with education you know it. Know you're not searching for that information until you actually are Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, and you were recently. You were just talking on your podcast, on the trailer podcast which I'm so bummed. I wasn't on because it was like three on one. It would have been two on two. I promise you, cause I am.
Speaker 2:Well, you were busy that time, so I did.
Speaker 1:I know I wanted to be on so bad. I know We'll do a followup.
Speaker 2:Just, we'll just be like two anti-trailer guys.
Speaker 1:I'm so Uh, I even in my head right now I'm like I want to like them on this one. I think they like it. You brought up hard shell rooftop tent and I think me and you both have had soft shell rooftop rooftop tents, or did you do the gazelle?
Speaker 2:I went straight out the gate with a hard shell, clam style um, I got a killer, buy on it, um, but I you know again learning from observation watching everybody else in the winter try to snap their soft shell or their soft cover on there. It's impossible, especially if it's snowed or rained and then froze. Now you got to get that stupid plastic thing on top to fit perfect, and it's just like I was watching people. I'm just like screw that. If I ever spent the dough, I am not going to be fighting it.
Speaker 1:I just went from a clamshell real similar to yours. Well, I mean, I guess I still have. It is for sale too but I uh. I got a uh wedge. I got a 23 zero. I saw that. I saw that that's stupid. Fast and easy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's like so that's the next style of tent I want and that would just be solely for, like me and my wife, maybe that's it, you know, for my myself doing the clam style by myself. It's just too much work for what it is. But here again, we don't go once or twice a week or once or twice a year. So that's the other things you start focusing in on. The first time you're out in a torrential downpour or it's, it's lightning out or something stupid snowing and it's late, you want to get to bed. You want to get up, get that thing, put that together and go to bed.
Speaker 1:Yeah I, it turned into me just like, yeah, it was affecting my. It started to affect my mood in the mornings. We want to go wheel, but I want to sleep in, but then I can, can't like you, can't do both you know.
Speaker 2:So this year rendezvous me and my wife have already talked about it, because she gets stir crazy. I do too, but she gets stir crazy even sooner than I do. So last year we had our the whole thing just set up. You know, we're hanging out really late around the fires and all that fun stuff, everybody, everybody's checking out everybody's rigs, everything was deployed and then it's like, okay, let's go wheeling two hours later after picking up all our crap and making sure that you know we're going to be okay when we get back, because we go to Rideau we take a little extra stuff that we don't normally camp with, just because we're we're base camping more, more or less with, just because we're we're base camping more, more or less. So you know, this year we've talked about maybe bringing an extra tent, like a two person ground tent, so we can throw all our crap in there when we go wheeling. Cause that's going to be our priority. This, this, this next rendezvous.
Speaker 1:We're going to do more sightseeing and wheeling, yeah, and this last year we had two folks with ground tents, three folks with ground tents, and that's exactly what we did. When me and tyson packed up our rooftop tents, we chucked a bunch of stuff. Nice, yeah, they're ground tents. Yeah, um, so yeah, but I'm going to. I'm going to go to big iron again this year, because there was some me too, bro, I know, I heard, I heard. So there was some. There was some people that were like I put it on here and I was like I'll go if any of you guys want to meet me, get to chit chat with me. Like there's no wailing, there's no nothing, it's it's solely social. Like yeah. So a few people were like, yeah, come, oh, I'd love if you did that, blah, blah, and I was like, all right, that's base camping nice bro, max that is.
Speaker 2:But I mean I think it's fun too, because what, what did you ever go to another a big iron ever? You went to the first or fourth, but you like them right. Yeah, okay, cause you and I were talking about this and the only reason why I ever complained about it is because of the heat back in 2021, because it was in June. So that's not even fair, everyone is out from that.
Speaker 1:Me and tyson had the time of our lives that year because it was just a bigger excuse for us to, you know, have a few cold beverages, and we had a few cold beverages. He's listening right now that was probably my best. That's the most fun I've had camping probably ever was that that year?
Speaker 2:so we're going to. Well, I'm going, and I opened it up to my wife because she went with me back in 21 and she absolutely hated it because it was so stinking hot. But now it's what? The third weekend of September or something like that, it's right before Rideau. It's yeah, it's like literally a couple of weeks or a week right before it, and it's a week after Overland of America. I think that would be October. Is it in October this year? I thought it was September. No, it's September 28th. That's what I thought. Maybe it's before Overland of America. Okay, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going to Overland of America. I also just realized I missed one just a week or two ago, the one in Kentucky.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that looked like Was it Overland Summit or something around there, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. You know what? I kind of missed it too. It seemed like all of a sudden you started seeing promotional stuff for it, but by then it was like, well, that's in two weeks.
Speaker 1:I can't by the time I saw something about it, it was like last the wednesday before I was like geez, I wish I would have, because they did some really cool recovery stuff where they like flipped a rig on its side and like oh yeah, very in-person stuff. I was like that is cool, like I not a lot of expos, do that not a lot of places would do that.
Speaker 1:No, I was like this is awesome, I would love to go to that and naturally I'm friends with you know, brand people and marketing people with like GoTreads and Action Tracks and it turned into me being like man. I really missed the boat because I'm seeing all their content after the fact.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I was like well damn, that's called post FOMO.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was like well, and then I, you know, clicked and I forgot about it. So it's moving on.
Speaker 2:Dude, there's so many new events popping up, if you look kind of all over the country, and not necessarily in the Midwest, but like even Oregon and, I know, arizona, they've got like these little ones, which is cool, you know, cause if you think about it, we're all these circles wherever we're at in the country, and then the circles are bigger and bigger and every, I guarantee you, within our bigger circles, you know, I say that tulsa, or oklahoma, kansas, missouri, arkansas, that bubble although could be a different size bubble somewhere else, anyway, I'm sure we all know people from probably all over through other people, which is really cool. That's where I was getting. I said all that to say it's pretty cool how we're all connected east, I believe is in tennessee um, I think so.
Speaker 2:Southeast tennessee, somewhere like that? Well, brian would know boondocked. When is the Expo East and where I think it's on that side?
Speaker 1:He just said that Morrison's Outdoor Adventure did the recover class. They do classes all year. Very cool. He said Virginia Wow that's a haul. Yeah, not doing that. I thought it was Tennessee. I was like I'd do Tennessee.
Speaker 2:I'd do Tennessee, kentucky. I'd do tennessee, kentucky yeah, you're talking kentucky.
Speaker 1:You're gonna end up with some dms by tyson after this. He's all about kentucky. I want to go to the upper peninsula of michigan let's go yeah, that's where I want to go. I want to go there too.
Speaker 2:we were supposed to go there last year, uh, for our family vacation. I'm not sure what happened. Oh, I didn't trust my rig. I was like I'm not driving Cause we did the Colorado trip the year before and that's when I experienced a lot of, uh, old vehicle issues, you know. So I didn't want to do that back to back years.
Speaker 1:Colorado is never. I don't all my friends. I went to colorado and we did the thing last year, yeah and uh, I went alone. So they're all like let's go back and I'm like my nerves don't have it colorado's not for me colorado, so like the shelf road stuff or the traffic no, I didn't, I was nowhere.
Speaker 2:I mean, traffic was not an issue, so you were like south central colorado, or I did like 3 000 miles in like 10 days.
Speaker 1:You did what? Three 3 000 miles in 10 days, I thought you said 10 000.
Speaker 2:I said you're on the wrong podcast, you need to go to guinness world record no, no, no, 3 000, so I was literally all over colorado, wow that's insane bro yeah.
Speaker 1:So I did everything from whatever springs to tully ride to durango, like all west, like east to west, colorado, uray, silverton, uh, crested butte, all the things. Yeah, I just went all over and really I did it way too fast one and totally underestimated the scare factor too.
Speaker 2:But I mean I don't like that stuff either. But there's certain things I'll do, but for the majority of that stuff, like the million dollar highway, I doubt I could probably drive if I was cliffside. You know, I'm saying if I was hugging the cliff I could probably do it, but not the ravine side that was half.
Speaker 1:My problem is, like everybody that's listened to this has been to colorado. There's only one road in running what I wrote out, so like, if you go on the good side, inevitably you're coming back on the bad side.
Speaker 2:That's the thing like, yeah, I got I might be going to colorado this year, but I'm like I'm not doing all the the famous, you know, sketchy stuff. I'm not gonna go out there and put myself through that. So we're gonna go do some maybe mild stuff, just more scenic, enjoyable things that we don't get here. You know you can still climb some altitude there and not have to do those kind of roads, but I was yeah, it totally.
Speaker 1:I'm like fried from it still and I don't know I don't well, were you always like that? No, just as yeah, no, it like hit me. I was like, oh okay, I was like all right, like panic attack man.
Speaker 1:I was like I was like all right, like panic attack man dude. I was like, okay, well, there's that. But I mean, yeah, not an issue in the Ozarks. I used to live in Lake Tahoe, like literally lived in the mountains. I don't know what the deal was Interesting. I don't know that. I've been above the tree line. I think that's what got me. I think, seeing all the trees, I was good. And then when we got up above 10 000, you know, for a while, yeah, I think pretty much as soon as I like conceptualized that like I was looking down on the clouds and there was no trees, I think that like you know you're tall when, well, you know you're high up when you're looking down on the clouds I was like freaked out.
Speaker 1:it freaked me out. I was like I was like I'm not even looking at the sky, I'm looking at the sun. I was like I don't even know what's going on. It freaked me out. I don't know if it just was like mental or it just freaked me out 100% mental.
Speaker 2:But I mean, I get you, man. I used to be able to climb ladders, do all sorts of fun stuff, climb on the roofs. I can't do that anymore. I'm just a big pansy. I can still do all that like that. I can't. That stuff bothers me none of that. You've watched too much youtube's. What you've watched. You've watched too many people on black bear pass.
Speaker 1:I have no clue what they're doing and they roll down on those uh, stairs, and I think that's exactly it, and I think, yeah, I have this conversation all the time too, and this is a fun conversation that you'd probably like to get into. But like I didn't think the wheeling in Colorado was hard, even as scared as I was of the heights, yeah, off-roading, and I've done arizona, new mexico, southern and northern california, um colorado. Now I've done wyoming, I've done oregon, uh nevada, and I still think the worst that ozark national forest artist wheeling really oh, absolutely well, okay, we'll see.
Speaker 2:I've never been out there, I've never done the other things I've done colorado here and there, like, but not like.
Speaker 1:They're sketchy stuff, but I get you, you know it's the sketchy yeah, the sketchy in colorado is like off camber and you're worried about sliding yet again. But like, yeah, the off camber in colorado, that scares you you could do a two-wheel drive in the Ozarks. Right, it's mental, it's a lot of mental stuff, correct? Yeah, it's not vehicle difficult, like you're not, like oh, I need a winch. But again, I've never been a Moab so I mean I'll caveat, I never did the Rubicon Trail Caveat, but I've done a lot, yeah, a lot, yeah.
Speaker 2:And the ozarks is brutal, narrow, unpredictable, wet, hard, muddy, all of it I'm taking a break from the hard wheeling, at least at least for a minute. You know, I told my wife, I said you know what I've kind of enjoyed just cruising nice gravel roads, finding scenic places to look, get out, look around and then go to camp at a decent hour like six o'clock, and then set up, kind of enjoy it a little bit, hang out real late and then kind of wake up and roll out again. That's actually pretty nice.
Speaker 1:It's very enjoyable. I think we all have went through. And you work on your own rig, and so I don have went through. And you work on your own rig, and so I don't know, and I work on my own rig, so anybody that doesn't could maybe, but like you don't look at it and like my life continues on. When you break your rig, you're like my life just stopped and I now have to fix this thing Right, like, and that takes away from whatever else you might have going on in your life. You know, and I hate that, I just get sick of working on it.
Speaker 2:I, I hate, yeah, the repeat breakdowns like if, if, like. So, for instance, back in february we did a big trip, um, it was a five day in the ozarks. Well, all four days were pretty easy going. You know, we we put it in four low a few times, that was it. But on day five, that's when I started breaking things and it was, it was, uh, not fun, not enjoyable well, yeah, and you guys had, like caleb's wheel cylinder, his brake cylinder went out and like just all sorts of weird stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you guys just had some breakdowns like and that'll happen, but man, that just gets.
Speaker 2:You're like damn yeah, this isn't fun anymore. No, and that's still where I'm at like with the balancing either the tire or maybe the cv axle, and I think it's just down to those two. Um, then, I don't know, I got another set of wheels I could throw on there, just to kind of, if I had to, yeah, I mean I would, I would have those, the tire swap to that, just just to rule it out. You know, if I had to, yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 1:It's weird too to me that you just went to the 80s from the empties and you would have thought you'd think that would have been a little easier. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. Um, it drives a lot better. I will say that ever since I swapped out the axles and I had to do a bunch of other stuff while I was in there. It does drive like tighter to me, but I'm the only one that could feel that steering wheel, but to me it's. You know, after you've worked on cars forever, you kind of know what it's doing. But this one's got me stumped and that's what's frustrating about it. You know, and I've changed the struts out, I've changed and, and the spring I've changed. Everything that you can think of on the front end is brand new, or was?
Speaker 1:there last. Is there a U-joint on that steering arm?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I'm trying to think Well, it's got that safety thing, the collapsible safety thing. I want to say there's a little U-joint down there, but to me it's not a steering wheel issue. You know, you could feel the difference and I would assume it would be a little sloppier. It's tight, like when I'm turning in a parking lot. I got tight steering, like that's good. So it's like on the interstate, like anything over like 50 miles an hour, it's just like. But it doesn't make a noise, you're just, you're feeling it and it's annoying.
Speaker 2:Feeling it but it doesn't make a noise, you're just, you're feeling it and it's annoying. Feeling it, yeah, like it's out of balance, I mean yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:It feels almost like you got an oblong tire.
Speaker 2:Yeah because if it was a, if it was a drive shaft, right, you can let off. So if you're driving, you can let off the gas, and if that vibration goes away, well then that's your drive shaft. But if it, if it, you don't have anything between the two, then it's fine. So it's like that's where I'm leaning, huh that's a weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was chasing down a vibration and I I haven't fixed it, figured it out either. I thought it was a front body mount. I've checked all my body mounts. It's not my tires, I mean it. It's done it. All of the sets of tires different. Yeah, ball joints, tie rod ends inner and outer.
Speaker 2:Now, I know, I know a lower ball joint could cause that same vibration also, but mine there's gotta be less than 5,000 miles on them. That's why you said you put new lower control arms on it. Everything's yeah, yeah, just did upper ball joints and they're jb wheel bearing both brand new wheel bearings it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2:No, well, here's the other thing is like if, freaking, so there's a guy and I, I I probably could do it, it'd just be a pain in the butt to make them do a lockout conversion right. So that away, because your cv axles are still spinning, even if you're a tool drive, because it's connected to that spline, blah, blah, blah. If it was a free floating, like if it was a locker or like a lockout hub, that should eliminate that and it would just, you know, pivot around that wheel, would pivot around that cv axle in theory. But those things are like four or five hundred bucks, um, and I, I just don't want to gamble four or five hundred bucks on a another alliance, another if or another. Would that even fix it?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Yeah, and that's. I mean, it's just like, and anytime you modify these vehicles as much as yours or mine is modified, like sometimes what Tyson says it all the time he's like you solve one problem and you just create a different one, like I feel like that's the truest.
Speaker 2:That's true. That's true. That's true. I believe it, more so on higher mileage vehicles or older vehicles, because that new component, that new component, is now 10 times stronger than it was before. So now you're wearing out the other stuff it's attached to. Well, then you're going to replace those two. Well, now you're even stronger on this end and then who else knows? But also you could destroy that new part just because you left the old crap on there too, for sure, and my truck's not old or high mileage, she's driven it's driven yeah, it's got some hard miles, that's okay.
Speaker 2:so here's another funny thing being cars, you're into cars and all that fun stuff. So, like you know, when people used, oh I got a barn find or I found this out in a farmer's field or something, it's low mileage, those are low miles, but those are farm miles.
Speaker 1:Those are hard miles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are hard miles.
Speaker 1:Right, so that's yeah, that is I mean you are. That is accurate. My truck probably has been a four wheel drive more than a lot of hundreds of thousands of miles of toyotas, but I hope it makes it that long. Hopefully it lasts that long.
Speaker 2:I hope yeah doesn't uh doesn't look like the new ones might. I'm not. I'm not saying anything I will.
Speaker 1:They're garbage. I'm so happy.
Speaker 2:I didn't even think you're about that your generation might, in my opinion. Third gen to come, a fifth gen forerunner is the last decent for toyota to market. Now obviously the land cruisers. They've been cranking them out forever and they went to ifs what way before this last? Yeah, body style. So why all of a sudden, are they calling it like a Prado 4Runner?
Speaker 1:It's like, well, yeah, that's the frame, the Prado's the smaller version. So, that's the GX460.
Speaker 2:It's like the 4Runner of Land.
Speaker 1:Cruisers, yes, but the full-size Land Cruiser's the V8. Mmm, and it's more in line with the Tundra frame.
Speaker 2:So does anyone I don't physically larger? Yeah, so it's probably a full. Well, yeah, I could see that it's closer to a half ton. What size engine? And was it solid axle? Was like the 2005 ish land Cruisers If anyone else 100 series yeah. No, it's the next. It's the full-size Land Cruiser. It's not the earlier 2000s, it's like 2007.
Speaker 1:That's the 200 series. Okay, that's what that is it had the 4.8 and then a 5.7. Maybe I'm going to look it up later, but it's IFS. It's IFS be.
Speaker 2:I'm going to look at ifs. It's ifs the 200, but everyone was like complaining about these not being solid axle anymore. It's like well, folks, they haven't been in a while. Yeah, they haven't been since 2007 okay, that's the first year for the for the 200 series because I think those are fantastic vehicles if you could find one for less than 30 40 000 that's what I would have if I could have afforded one with a comparable you know mileage and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would even went way back in years. I just couldn't find one with less than 180 000 miles. Yeah, for under 30 grand. So yeah, but I would have one of those for sure is what I would drive.
Speaker 2:I've only seen eight oh yeah, I've only seen maybe a handful, like in the wild, if you will, you know, driving to different towns.
Speaker 1:Aaron, paris has one he has? Oh, very cool, yeah, he has one, it's. It's got a million miles on it too, I think, um the switchback outdoor very, very tasteful rigs, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:I think they look good and they outperform too I think they're great.
Speaker 1:I think, and I mean I think, the fifth gen forerunner, you know even overland journal just recently did you know best north american overland vehicle and it was the fifth gen forerunner. By like a landslide I mean, there's people rolling around, you know, full time in 7 000 pound. Fifth gens, oh yeah, I mean. And they?
Speaker 2:just they are, and even bone stock. They're very impressive, very capable vehicles, minus the predator bars. That was so stupid of them to put those on.
Speaker 1:I mean for all for I mean reasonably. Tyson's is a puck lift and 285s yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2:I've wheeled with him and it it goes places.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it did fine like it'll go anywhere, and that's I mean, it's literally it doesn't have wheel spacers, it doesn't have pretty much a bone stock for off-road. Yeah, trd off-road, you know.
Speaker 2:So those have naturally what a two inch lift on it already, or something like that. I don't know, I know the suspension's a little bigger yeah, okay, that might be a three, then Well, if he had a two, well, who knows? Tyson Puck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's got Puck lift on it. Now it's lifted, but it's stock. Springs, shocks, control arms, sweet, and I mean it goes everywhere. It's just got 33s on it and bumper cuts, not Viper cuts, it is viper cut, but you know that makes me feel like I'm it's the dodgeball. Thank you, that's what I feel like yeah, that's exactly what I feel like with it. How's that work? On third on third gens, though, do you have to cut anything, or is it?
Speaker 2:just um. So that's why I'm running a negative 12 offset. So I think stock trd off-road wheels are a negative four offset. So with that, with no spacer, my left to right turn top like frame horns almost are touching right. So then after, I didn't like the idea of doing spacers although I think there are safe ways to run spacers at the time it wasn't my, wasn't even a thought, so I just going for, like the biggest offset wheel I could do, which was a negative 12, which I still currently run, and I've had that for almost three years now.
Speaker 2:So that's another thing that's kind of in the back of my brain, like, is that an issue? So anyway, um, no, rubbing, no issues, other than if you're like totally squatted somewhere or flexed out, obviously anybody will probably rub. Um, but I've taken, I've not cut anything on that inner wheel. Well, the inner fender will, um, you know, but I have taken, I've not cut anything on that inner wheel, well, the inner fender, well, um, you know, but I have taken a massive hammer to it and and beat it in probably a good four to five inches. You don't have to, but that's also back when I was running the mud tires also, um, so that. Yeah, those would grab everything underneath the fender. You know those uh.
Speaker 1:K know those, yes, uh, km3s or whatever. They were ko, but they were falcon mt3s, yeah, mt somethings, but yeah that's. I mean I've done a considerable amount of cutting and chopping and beating and on my front fender wells, my rear is non-issue at all, ever.
Speaker 2:But did you still have to do like the panhard correction bar and all that stuff in the back hard on my tacoma.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have a panhard or did they? Factory or did you just take it out? It's a leaf spring rear, it's not coil spring rear oh, it's not linked. Oh, I guess all trucks are like that. Well, toyota not, not the new toyota's, not well don't get started on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the rav4 plus, it's I don't like it, like I mean, but like no clue what it's going to look like in the next years. You know, for toyota stateside, it's not their call. Yeah, it's, it's. It's, it's the United States EPA, all that regulation, safety, bull crap that they have to comply to. And this for for people like us who really love Toyota. This, this is a shot in the foot, man, so we'll see how it turns out.
Speaker 1:And it's all the brands, I mean the last generations of naturally aspirated four-wheel drives. Yeah, is is across the board, is done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you can't I think that's why there's a surge in people restoring these older vehicles because, they're.
Speaker 2:They're very capable. The parts are readily available for the most part. You know you're not going to get Toyota OEM stuff anymore. I think like for CV axles they quit making those years ago. But a lot of even Toyota's doing remand stuff on a lot of that older stuff. So they they'll keep it in stock. I believe in like little pop-up shops That'll keep that alive. You know I've got three or four, four third gen sitting in my back lot that I know down the road will be very handy to have. So that's why I don't want to get rid of them just yet, because I know I could rebuild one of them and, uh, go 300, 500,000 miles in one if I had to. So yeah, that's a.
Speaker 1:that's a good thing that you're doing that. I've been looking at eBay pretty substantially for I want to find a rear impact total third gen so I could have a donor trans. So I could have a donor trans and engine, so that way I can have one out to read Like I could take either. Put that one in, rebuild this one. Yes, Vice versa. That's everything.
Speaker 2:You, yeah, purple wave. Go to purple wavecom. Uh, you can watch those all the time. Go to your marketplace on facebook, you'll probably I don't know if you'll see I'm, I got copart. I look at copart all the time yeah, you got one near you or close to you very good. Yeah, I'm just scattered out.
Speaker 1:yeah, that's what I've been doing, because they're not, at least not yet. I feel like, if this new Tacoma falls on its face, that stuff's going to be lucrative here real shortly, and I want to try and buy before that becomes the case.
Speaker 2:The new Tundras have already fell on their faces.
Speaker 1:They're garbage man, and I don't want to say garbage, but like no, it's bad it's bad.
Speaker 2:It's bad when you're spending eighty thousand dollars on a freaking brand new truck and then less the next amount of miles you're getting. All these um, uh, please help me out here recalls, recalls, you know, and and you're like, well, now what you know.
Speaker 1:I just spent all this money and yeah and you're not gonna get a loaner like what?
Speaker 2:no, they're not gonna work. No, exactly, they don't care yeah exactly like it's.
Speaker 1:It's yeah, and I mean and right now the big thing is, with all of them they're talking. I mean, they're talking about turbo issues with, uh, you know, they've got more gears in the transmissions but they're pushing so much boost at the lower RPMs, pushing bigger tires and stuff, so you don't need to re-gear it, but now maybe you need to get a different turbo or a different wastegate.
Speaker 2:But also, yeah, those little turbos. I mean they ain't nothing. I mean those are like the size of the ones they put on Scions and stuff. They're not like what a Cummins turbo would be correct they're.
Speaker 1:They're very small well and people don't realize. You know they talk about rpms and compression ratios. People should really start paying attention to those tiny little bitty bearings on those fins of those turbos going 30 000 rpms right, I mean at 900 degrees. I mean, can you imagine what that does to that if that turbo is low mounted and it gets wet at a water crossing after it's been hot?
Speaker 2:yeah, just annihilates it yeah I would be curious to see because I know you know tyler, with independence overland he he ordered himself a trail hunter.
Speaker 1:Yep, I know it too.
Speaker 2:And he is going to wheel the crap out of it. He says I'm going to wheel this thing. He's like I'm going to take it places, do stuff with it like it's intended to, and I will give my honest review.
Speaker 1:So, if anyone, wants to do it.
Speaker 2:I think you can tell and hopefully you've had him on and I've mentioned him on my podcast before and maybe he will listen to this but I wonder if he took it intoloom pretty much you know it's been. He bought it brand new as well. I think it's an 07, something like that, so he's had it a minute.
Speaker 1:Well, and I don't remember if it was me or you talking about it, but like sometimes we're less recognizable than our cars are, oh for sure. Like sometimes people know my truck as outskirts overlay, and not me, you know right, yeah well, and that's just, that's the truth.
Speaker 2:With anything like even what you know, like going to expos or rendezvous and stuff like that, like people will say, oh look, it's so, and so just by pointing at the rig, and then you go over there and you have no idea what the guy looks like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that could I mean. Yeah, you could see that, I could see that being the case too. So, like at some point too, it's like is it even appropriate, is it an appropriate marketing move to get rid of, like your identity rig either?
Speaker 2:I okay, I will give you a couple of examples. I'm brain farting man, it's been hot here, but anyway. So back whenever Grant from Arkansas Offroad had his Jeep TJ, that was his channel's identity. That's what grew his channel, in my opinion. Yeah, the black one right, it was dark forest green or something like that.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's what grew his channel, in my opinion. Yeah, the black one right it was.
Speaker 2:It was dark forest green or something like oh, that's right and hard top, but he had it decked out, loaded out and decent good content for that time. Whenever that came out, whenever he got his uh tacoma, I'm like this guy just shot himself in the foot. His channel is going to go downhill. Blah, blah, blah. That's probably one of the only success stories I've seen from anyone changing their identity Not only going from Jeep to a Toyota, you know, because there's a lot more Jeep fans out there than Toyota fans just because of the whole bathtub toy thing that they got going on for them, just because of the whole bathtub toy thing that they got going on for him. But another example would be Matt McClellan. Whenever he had his black, what was that? A TJ or a Z? No, what was that? An X JK? That's what it was. It was a black JK. And then whenever he went to the gladiator, I was thinking the same thing oh, this guy just shot himself in the foot.
Speaker 1:But look at him now. Well, kara, kara got a four-door though too, so it's not like they abandoned, you know, like they've got. They've got some exact exactly.
Speaker 2:But oh, they got a lot of jeep diversity going on. Yeah, you got a two gladiators in their four-door and then some trailers and but hey, more power too, if you can do it more power, yeah, why? Wouldn't you?
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't know you'd be a moron if you wouldn't well, absolutely, yeah, opportunities come your way. But yeah, I don't, yeah, and I think that too, and but at least matt stayed with essentially a jeep, off-road jeep, right, you know, like I think, yeah, it's hard to like my content, your content, like we're pretty toyota, like that's what I know. Yeah, that's just I, if I got a jeep at this point I'd sound like a complete, you know, skyjacker is the only thing.
Speaker 1:I know what a jeep is yeah, dude, I don't know anything about like I know enough about it like spider, armor spider stuff right.
Speaker 1:I mean I watch enough story till now to know a little like, but that's, I don't know like, I'd be like a infant in that world. I don't know nothing about that, nothing, yeah, I'd be lost in the sauce. Yeah, I don't even. I mean even when I've been with my buddies again, a lot of my buddies here in missouri have jeeps. They, they wheel completely different. Yeah, like the way that what, what wheel follows the other is backwards from ours. Yeah, so they're always trying to clear the back and if my front can do it, my back will do it, like my back follows.
Speaker 2:It is interesting that lines can change with a vehicle you would. I would never have expected that, Um, especially going from what I've had first gen, second gens and now I've been on this is my second or third third gen and it's like the the line approach. All that stuff is way different than like anyone I ever follow or anyone following me. I always make sure to tell that to people, Cause I've got a pretty short wheelbase, I'm not super wide, so I've got to take very selective paths and then, like people behind me, good luck, you know, depending on what, what you are.
Speaker 1:So well, that's, that's absolutely. Even my Tacoma versus a. A 4Runner is different, and then our buddy's GX is different, everything's, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:So whenever it comes down to spotting people, yes, that helps, that does help a lot. But you also have to know that vehicle's capabilities. Does it have to hit that weird rocket, that certain angle first so the weird can flex and work itself out, or do you try to bury it in the, the rut or whatever? You know it's hard to good.
Speaker 1:spotters are hard to find not only are good spotters hard to find, people that understand how to follow spotters instructions. Yeah, I walk away from people.
Speaker 2:If you're not going to listen to me or or and I'm not saying that like some big bully but if you don't want help from somebody and you're just going to drive or driver and you're going passenger, passenger or whatever it's like, if you don't want help, you're on your own man.
Speaker 1:Yeah and well, me and tyson actually just talked about this a couple weeks ago, like we've well, tyson almost always spots. I rarely spot anybody. I'm usually in the back, so that opportunity is not really presented to me. I'm usually a last vehicle.
Speaker 2:I either like to go first or last.
Speaker 1:Ideally not first, because you can't see how deep the mud holes are yeah, I usually go last just because I have the most recovery equipment oh yeah yeah, so that's really what that's about, just because I'll always be able to deploy it if need be, and not have to turn around or anything I guess that makes sense, dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't ever have that opportunity. But I've seen people freak out, like just freak out, and it's like we got to continue on here, we got to keep going. So like Ivan was talking to him, I'm like sometimes people don't want help, but like sometimes I got people that are like third or fourth in line of eight and they're like I don't want to do this and it's like get out, I'll drive it. Like we can't turn around, like there's failure is not an option. We got to go. I mean, yeah, where else?
Speaker 2:are you going to call an Uber?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and based off that Jeep Liberty, that just made it like you're going to be fine, like we just got to go, we got to keep going, yeah, you know. So like I see that sometimes even where it's like I've had to drive, you know had to be like, hey, like I'm not trying to be rude, but like you know I'm not going to keep, you're not going to keep getting stuck to where we're all stuck. Yeah, just let somebody else, you know, let's, get through this. You know we'll have an after action later about it. Like, yeah, yeah, like. But I mean you go with guys. Me and tyson have never went, I don't think, with the same group of guys twice it's hard.
Speaker 2:Once you find a good group to go with, you can know each other's capabilities, uh, you can tell if they can keep their cool. You could tell you know all this stuff and we've had trail talks before. You know like we've had good heart-to-hearts on the trail. But yeah, because because of our relationship, because we've gone wheeling together, you could have those and the trips are 100 times more better if you can kind of find those people you can mesh with. Well, I'm not saying, go with the same people all the time, introduce some other people while they're you know those folks can't go but and random trips with people.
Speaker 1:That's that's stressful. We do it a lot, that's all we do. I feel like I go wheeling with tyson a lot. I've been wheeling with a couple other people a lot, but I feel like we've went with a bunch of people that we just met and we've never wheeled with again. And it's hard when you just automatically accept like scratches and trail damage and you know whatever, and you're with somebody else and that is not their mindset and you're like, oh well, that's inevitable at this point, like, yeah, unfortunately you know, like it's almost like you feel like a cocky person to be like, hey, like you probably can get scratches, you might break a taillight, like this stuff happens Right, and they'll be like, oh, you know. And then you're like and there goes, you know side steps, and those are gone now there was a.
Speaker 2:Uh, I'll have to find and I'll send it to you, but there was a. You may have seen it I think it was on instagram, but it was like a brand new car and somebody put like saran wrap the whole thing, and then they went.
Speaker 1:We shared that the other day I was like that's hilarious uh, boondock haverlock just said trail damage. What's that, when the other day I just saw him like pulling his rear right?
Speaker 2:hey, you need any pdr service. Go go to north carolina.
Speaker 1:You got brian there, oh man I've, I've ripped my rear bumper off my tacoma like like four different times, man, like it's such a, that's a anyways. Yeah, they're just bad for that, but but yeah anyways. So yeah, well, we're about, we're about, we're about an hour and I know you say that too like we're about an hour we're there.
Speaker 2:It's like you're you're you got to take a piss, but it's like we're right there, man, yeah, we.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're close. So, anyways, everybody that's listening. Benji, where can everybody reach you at? Where are you at? What's going on in the future for you and Newfound.
Speaker 2:At Newfound Overland on Instagram, facebook and YouTube.
Speaker 1:And I would like to go ahead and plug Benji. Benji lets Benji, you know, let's all of us a round of applause. Just had his first, you know pseudo viral video about his 1980 truck. So go on over to his YouTube channel and give it a like and a subscribe. Leave a comment, even if it's just to say I listened to you on the podcast. It helps the algorithm out. Let's keep his momentum going. Appreciate it. Yeah, man, absolutely, and I'll look forward to having you back on, or me on yours, or whatever You'll come on mine, but one of these days we'll do an in-person, maybe we should plan on that.
Speaker 2:That'd be fun. Yeah, we're not too far away from each other, so a couple hours maybe, maybe two hours maybe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's fine, I mean, we'll figure it out, though yeah you gotta.
Speaker 2:We're in the same state, man, we're in the same state.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean we're. We take a similar highway daily. I mean we're not that far away, right? So awesome guys. Well, I appreciate you guys all being here. We got quite a bit of engagement today, so I appreciate you guys all all being here. And uh, just kind of me and Benji just catching up and BSN. So I appreciate everybody that, uh, that cares to listen to that. Really. So thanks for being here and uh, I'll catch you guys next week Later.