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Outskirts Overland Podcast
DIY Overlanding: Practical Truck Upgrades and Affordable Modifications
What if you could transform a stock pickup into the ultimate off-road machine? Join us as Brian from Boondock Haverlock takes us through his fascinating journey of turning a simple Silverado into a formidable overland vehicle. Inspired by his childhood camping adventures and reignited by the pandemic, Brian shares the challenges and triumphs of his evolving passion for overlanding, eventually leading him and his wife to switch to a more capable Toyota Tacoma. Hear first-hand about the initial struggles, including the necessity of a Rough Country leveling kit, and how these early modifications paved the way for greater adventures.
Ready to take your overlanding game to the next level? We detail the meticulous upgrades made to Brian’s Tacoma, enhancing its off-road capabilities and resilience. From removing the front sway bar to installing frame sliders and BudBuilt skid plates, Brian provides invaluable, budget-friendly tips for DIY enthusiasts. Discover how practical modifications like cab mount adjustments and aftermarket canopies have transformed his truck into a reliable companion for rugged terrains. This chapter also delves into the importance of thorough research and consulting with experienced friends to make informed decisions about vehicle modifications.
Funding and planning are crucial aspects of any serious hobby, and Brian's story is no exception. Learn how selling an old Aluna bass boat financed most of his truck upgrades and gain insights into alternative funding methods. We explore the logistical challenges of receiving parts from various locations and emphasize the importance of involving your partner in expensive hobbies. As a special highlight, Brian shares his excitement about an upcoming rendezvous event, inviting listeners to join and share their thoughts. Tune in for an episode brimming with practical advice, inspirational stories, and a genuine passion for overlanding.
There's a Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to Outskirts Overland Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to Outskirts Overland Podcast. Today I have Brian with me from Boondock Haverlock and we're going to just talk a lot about his truck. We call an episode Taco Tuesday. I think he named his Tacoma Tuesday.
Speaker 2:So before we get kicking, I got to go through all my jazz. So first things first. If you guys are interested in using any off-road maps, you can use the code GLOBALOVERLAND236 and you'll get 20% off. Onyx Off-Road. If you use the discount Outskirts5 with WeBoost, you'll get 5% off. If you use CHARLIE10 with Toyota Overlanders, you will get 10% off. And again, I brought up last week, toyota Overlanders is kind of like a shell to a lot of other brands, so go check them out. It's not just Toyota stuff, obviously. It'll get you tied to brands like Zargus, backwoods, adventure Mods different places in my discount code to work across.
Speaker 2:And then, lastly, toyota Trucks of Arkansas. They have here coming up in September. They have a cleanup going on out in the Ozarks and there's a lot of pictures on their site. They've found couches like lock washers and dryers out there. So they're going to get a big group of people together and get some of that crap out of the woods. So that's a really cool thing. I support it greatly If you guys want to go over there and join Toyota Trucks of Arkansas on Facebook. They're all pretty positive and they're fantastic people. So, without further ado, I have Brian here with me from Boondock Haverlock, so hi, brian.
Speaker 1:What's happening?
Speaker 2:So Brian's been on a few podcasts before, so this is by no means his first rodeo. I just wanted to get him on as if you guys are a loyal listener here. I just want to get on talk about his truck, talk about kind of how he got into things. He's in a stage with his truck where I probably was two years ago, where he's going from that more entry level build into that mid to high level build now and that comes with a lot of financial struggle to do that, like some stuff you can, facebook marketplace with some stuff you can't. So I really wanted to get into talking with him just kind of like about his journey to to building his truck. Like where did it start? Where did he start? How did things go? So I'm gonna I'm gonna open that long-winded question and let you take the floor well, first of all, thanks for letting me on your podcast here.
Speaker 1:It was kind of a shocker to get it called out live on on the air last week, which was funny because I was actually driving home from a job site and I was about 20 minutes from home and I just had my phone out and I was listening to it while driving. I'm like, well crap, I gotta pull over and respond. So, yeah, that was kind of fun. But uh, no, I mean I started with. I mean, let's just get into the whole, I guess, story of how I started doing what I'm doing. Um, obviously, like a lot of people in the pandemic, I'm doing Obviously, like a lot of people in the pandemic, I've been watching a bunch of YouTube videos on going out and going camping. As a kid I went camping a lot with my family and my father. He had a what do you call them, the slide-in campers in his F-250. And we'd take that out, we go tent camping and all that stuff. But got down here and just being cooped up, I've been watching the videos and my wife actually said, hey, um, is that something you want to do? And I looked at her kind of shocked. I'm like, yeah, is that something you want to do? And she's like willing to try it. So at that point we just loaded up. At the time I had a Silverado loaded up but we had a 15-year-old tent and went and got an Ozarks grill or little two-burner stove and just the basics and just went out. And since then she fell in love with it right away. I obviously knew I was going to like it and so we've kind of just been going out as much as we can since then.
Speaker 1:And then I started to want to do some harder things with the Silverado because it was stock, it was four-wheel drive. It did have the six-foot bed which I'll get into that as to why I always have to have a six-foot bed for any truck that I will ever buy my whole life but it had the running boards and all that. So it was bottoming out in Uari just on like some easy trails that weren't bad around here. So I went and got a lift kit and I think I told you I had the rough country leveling kit that brought the front, which was surprisingly way better quality ride than I thought it was going to be. It was just a hair stiffer than stock, but other than that it performed really well and did exactly what I needed to do. I was actually very surprised, but you know we going through the trails and looking where we are on the East Coast, narrow trails are everywhere and I think you have that same problem where you're at. I do, I do. Where you know, even at Tacoma is a little wide for some of them, but you know we were this is probably so we started that at about 2022.
Speaker 1:And then a year later this would have been last April, I think it was we started really talking about getting into it more serious. That's kind of when I started doing more with the youtube panel as well, but we um just kind of talking like I wanted to get something that was going to be the last vehicle I think I was going to buy to be able to do this and first thought was a forerunner, but then I wanted the truck bed just to do truck stuff. So I went to tacoma and ended up searching online for a couple months and not seeing anything available, because that was when there was all the shortages. Well, I found a dealership close to us. They had two tacomas coming in that were slated to go to. That one was the one I have now, which is a 2023 um charity off-road, and the other one was the same thing, but it was going to be a little bit later and the color was the lunar rock, which I liked. But other than that they were kind of exactly the same, other than trim package. And the one I got has the leather interior, all all that fun stuff, because that's what the wife wanted.
Speaker 1:So we got that one and went to the other ship and test drove a used one and I told him what I want to go. I've got to have a DRD off-road four by four, it's got to be a six foot bed and it's got to be the four door, not just the access cab, the double cab. He looked at me. He's like that's really hard to find. So I pulled up my phone. I went no, we've got one coming, it's, it's right here, it has a vin number and it's showing up here in about a month and ended up buying it right right there yeah, you just put it, you just pretty much deposited on that one then that one there and the six foot bed, the things I had to have because I looked at gladiators r Colorados, because I've had Rangers, I've had Colorados and I think I had a Sonoma at one point too.
Speaker 1:But the requirements were a double cab and a six-foot boat and a factory locker, because I didn't want to have to go out right off the bat and spend $900 for the locker into something and have it go. So the only one that had those was a Tacoma, and that's even hard to find.
Speaker 2:It's extremely hard to find a four-door with a six-foot bed. You can find an extended cab with a six-foot bed, but that actually matches my wheelbase. Your truck's a different frame altogether, which I personally and I said it last week that's the best one. Now, having what I have, that is, you have the best truck for overland travel. I don't think it's probably the best for wheeling specifically, but it's the best for accommodating gear room, Like if it came down to it and you were in a rooftop tent or something you can always get in the bed yeah, and that's that's what I do with it.
Speaker 1:That's, we built a bed on the back and you mentioned wheeling. We took it to uari, which is kind of a small off-road park here run by the national forest service, and this is where my wife was actually allowed me to buy all the stuff that that I have for it now, because she actually drove it the whole weekend. Because it was a it was a ladies only ride. I was there just as a passenger, but she took it out and wheeled it and it was. We were completely bone stock. We had six or seven hundred pounds of gear in the back. I had two inches between my rear axle bump stop and the frame Static. Yeah, that's just as not moving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So she took that through trails following built forerunners and JKs and Jeeps and all it did was, as it, go over humps. It's great and it would scrape and it was great. And then eventually she rolled over a rock and smashed the back end, but that's just gonna happen. Um, I'm not even mad about it, but uh. So as far as like wheeling it's, you gotta go a little wider on your turns, it's. Some of them are a little tighter. You gotta kind of three or four point them to get around. But as far as wheeling it was and that was her first time out, for her to take that, her first time wheeling in that truck, and do as well as she did, I mean I would. That truck is extremely capable, as is yeah, I mean mine, I took it.
Speaker 2:I just had a spacer lift and you know, because you got them and I rave about those Ironman Leafs on the back oh my God, I mean they're way worth the money. But, like, my truck just had a spacer lift and wheel spacers to fit 285s and I did a lot with just that, like just literally just that.
Speaker 1:I think it surprises people at how capable those trucks actually are well, I think it surprises people that, yeah, that they're.
Speaker 2:I mean, all my friends have jeeps and they think that's like again, I've got a lot of you guys on here that drive jeeps and you're so cool, but but a lot of guys think that they're like the best thing ever. And I I'm not saying they're not, but I'm just saying they're, they're, they're comparable, like it is comparable, 100 they are.
Speaker 1:You know, you just got to know I think you talked before it's difference in where you place your tires and how you drive it. You can drive a tacoma anywhere. You can drive a Jeep. I will stand behind that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say that I would identify that as a fact. Now, if we get into the realm of like bigger builds 37s, 38s, 40s- oh, then you got to go. You just can't do it in our truck. Yeah, you just can't, that's just not possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well then you're talking solid axle swap and all that other crap. That's just at that point. You might as well just buy something else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think. I mean I did exactly what you did. I looked, my dad has the Ranger I was looking at. He owns it. When I was looking at my truck, literally the week after I bought my truck, he bought his Ranger Nice.
Speaker 2:Because, it was one I brought home that I was test driving. He's like, oh, I like this and I was like I don't so. But I looked at colorado's canyons, gladiators, all of the above, yeah, and, and I just couldn't get over when I looked at them for what I was going to do with it. Now again, it's a little cramped in the cab, but the belly of the Tacoma is much higher.
Speaker 1:Yes, stock. Yeah, the breakover is a lot higher.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it creates a really forward like go-karts-like seating position. But if that's not too obscure for you, it is nice yeah.
Speaker 1:There was always the complaints of oh, the cab's small and it's uncomfortable and you don't fit in it. I'm six one, I have no problem fitting in it. I've always preferred the smaller or the mid-sized trucks over full size, just for comfort level. I mean, I've had two rangers, a sonoma, colorado and something else I think I can't remember, but I just I've always liked the smaller trucks right and benji just commented ifs like benji likes ifs I like ifs too, like I'm totally the guy I.
Speaker 2:I mean, they all have ifs except the gladiator and the jeep, but even so, jeeps found their their weak points in those axles, and now the 24 has free-floating axles, because that's a huge problem with Jeeps. Is you upgrade the tires? More so than you snap an axle.
Speaker 1:That's what everybody does, Because you can fit. I think you can almost fit a 37 without doing anything else on a Gladiator. You can just throw them on there and be done with it 100%.
Speaker 2:Else on a gladiator like you can just throw them on there and be done with it 100 and I I think they'll scrape a little, but I think you can get those like the shorter, like the hot, just a little higher fenders and it works fine. Yeah, so I mean there's definitely I don't know where you're at in your building. We'll actually we'll just segue straight into that, because my build at this point, with the mid travel suspension, everything I have done a lot of cutting. There's a lot of cutting and welding on my truck. Frame cutting and welding, yeah, whether the cab mounts, pinch welds, fender wells. I mean that's all. Yeah, that's all occurred.
Speaker 1:It's in my future. I see it happening.
Speaker 2:For sure it is.
Speaker 1:Like like no, no question it has to be Right now, it's just got. I still have the stock wheels and tires because I'm not going to fork out $1,000 for tires. What I have now are still decent and they don't look super donut-y and super small. With the 2.5, 3-inch lift right now, so I'm going to and a half three inch lift right now, so I'm gonna keep those. But I know the cab mounts coming eventually. You know the pinch welds up in the front and back and all that in the front. Um, benji mentioned ifs. I did take the front sway bar out and you weren't kidding when you said it's a cheat code. It's way better. Oh my god, road handling is fine. I a little bit more body roll, but other than that, just don't go 80 around a corner and you're fine.
Speaker 2:I even do that and it's fine, like I don't have any issues with that sway, bar being and, and. And. To be clear with you guys, we're not talking about disconnecting it and creating some type of hazard. Like mine is in the trash. Like mine doesn't exist. Mine was like worth a dollar at the junkyard. Like it's gone, it's never coming back.
Speaker 1:And I was worried about it, so I kept it. I'm like if it's too bad, I'm not going to put it in, but I think the heavier springs in the back help that, because that'll control the back a little bit. The sway and I know Benji was worried about taking his off. If he does and if he's listening, take the front, don't take the rear. Watch, um, a guy named tinker's adventure yeah, he is all toyota suspension and he's basically all the math and he actually got a stiffer sway bar in the back to make to force his front to articulate more and he's like that's what I would say, ben, you go ahead and do that, yeah it's super, I mean and and I didn't.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm pretty experimental in ways, because I'm like I I have like a very capable shop and I have a lift and I have all this stuff. I'm like, if it's you know, I'm like, I'm like there's not much I can screw up that I can't fix. So I'm like let's just throw it at the wall, like figure it out. But the sway bar made, I mean it makes a huge difference.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's ridiculous, Like going through, and the first time I tested it was just I got a couple of ditches out front and going over it, the body stayed like this and it maybe did this, whereas before it would have been all over the place and that's what I would say like my first mods to a tacoma.
Speaker 2:Previously wouldn't would have been a slightly different, but now I'd say, you know, frame sliders and sway bar, yeah, like we'll get you real far, like really really far. Yeah, cut your exhaust off. I actually just had a guy that came out to my house and bought a bunch of stuff from me and he's building his out with a rack and stuff and he's like what would you do to my truck? And I was like cut that exhaust up over by that spare tire. That's why I was like I've seen too many of them. Just well, exactly what happened to your other side happens to the exhaust side all the time.
Speaker 1:So I'm gonna cut that off. But that's you know, I still haven't put the new bumper on there. Well, let's just get into everything I did on the truck yeah, let's do that, let's get into it all right, so we're gonna.
Speaker 2:I'm okay, I'll go kind of chronologically with how I did it I'm gonna put your and I'm gonna put your build list up okay on screen, so those of you guys that are, you'll be able to see his build list, and I've got to sit up here too.
Speaker 1:So so so we'll start. The first thing I got really was um the canopy off of marketplace, for it had a broken window. So it was a total 180 bucks is what I bought it for and then spent. I think I've got a video on it. For the whole process Total painted, installed, everything fixed and repaired was less than it was like $380.
Speaker 2:And I don't want to, and I don't want to cut you off here, but just when he says he has a video on it, he has a YouTube channel. Go check out his YouTube channel if you're interested. I put out a live stream and a podcast on DIY drawer systems and it got a ton of traction. I'm not a YouTube person like Brian. Go check out his DIY drawer build and you'll get probably a little more inspiration from something like that. Not to cut you off from putting it.
Speaker 1:But yeah, Well, I still do. I got to put my drawer out, but the canopy one, like I said, that was $380, all said and done. And then I started kind of the drawers been going since I want to say January, where it first started as one platform, then two platforms and drawers in it and all that stuff. But the drawers are nice and I've got let me start over on the canopy and then that canopy that got on there. The next thing I got was my sliders, or not my sliders, my skid plates, my front skid plate. I got that off a marketplace as well, which was a bud built front skid plate that just replaces the little thin one on the front of the Tacoma, and then that's really all I had for a while and that's really all I had for a while. And then we went to um, went to the Uari and I got the mid skid plate from Bud Bill. You know the three 16, three 16th inch thick and those things are pretty hefty there, they weigh a lot. Um, and I had those two skid plates when we went wheeling, or my wife went wheeling, and that was all we had.
Speaker 1:As far as armor and if you've seen the short, charlie mentioned it. The backend got bashed up. Both my rocker panels are scraped and pushed in and there's just. You can tell where the frame scraped the whole way, the exhaust, all that. So after that trip was when it started to make more sense to Jesse as to okay, I see why you need all this stuff. It's expensive, but let's figure out how we can do it and go. So at that point I had a. I had a old Aluna bass boat that was paid off, so I toyed with selling that. I only went out two or three times a year so I put that up for sale. Somebody basically bought it right then and there and I took that money and went parts and the rest of this list is what I bought.
Speaker 2:So if I'm looking at your, let me go ahead. So this is from doing that Like what what all did, did, did sell in the boat, do for you.
Speaker 1:Okay, the boat did the, so the only things that sell in the boat did not do are the ARE canopy Okay, the front and mid skid plates from Budville, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, so literally these are the only two things that it didn't buy Correct and the canopy.
Speaker 1:Yep. Everything else 100% funded by selling a boat.
Speaker 2:And I wanted to talk about this, and we talked about it a little before, but I think if you're in a situation now this is not my situation. I'm not sharing money with anyone, so I can be a complete and total ignorant financial idiot but if you are in that scenario, getting your spouse, partner, whoever out and showing them like because there's a lot of hobbies where just unnecessary spending occurs and there's definitely unnecessary spending that can occur in this hobby, in this realm, but, like most of it is just it is just to not mess up actually more expensive stuff. So I think that's good that you got her out. I think it's good for people to think outside the box to fund these things. Like I sell wood in the winter, you sold a boat. Like you have a youtube, like because because you're either going to end up and I could go all day on this but I just slid my truck off a rock ledge and it cost seven $7,000 to fix my truck. Yeah, it was a loss, but my whole truck's repainted. Now though it looks phenomenal.
Speaker 1:It's got to look good. It looks so good.
Speaker 2:It looks so good. It just sits out there and I like go out in the morning.
Speaker 1:I'm like, ah, that's so nice to have that there.
Speaker 2:But anyways, but like. But quite frankly, like your whole build list probably cost comparable to what my repair just cost.
Speaker 1:Yes, I would. I would agree with that. That's like you got to think about it that way.
Speaker 2:And well, don't be stupid like me and don't do stupid stuff. I'm going to do stupid stuff.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna do stupid stuff. You can't tell me not to yeah, but I mean disclaimer.
Speaker 2:If you're following me, you're we're breaking something you know.
Speaker 1:But like all this stuff is I stuff I've been looking at and planning on buying for geez over. I've been looking at this stuff for over a year just going okay, this is what I want, this is how I want to do it. And then it just happened to be the timing was right and a bunch, a lot of these that got on sale like the awning was like 50 off the um my where's the? The um wench was like less than a 9,500 pound wench. So of course I'm going to go with the big 13,000 pound wench, which you know, and I didn't just buy it cause it was cheaper.
Speaker 1:I went and researched and looked at everything and watched videos and read reviews and everything else and it wasn't oh, this thing's got 105 star reviews, but it also had some things also had 101 star reviews.
Speaker 1:So look through those and see what the one star reviews are and how old they are. And on some of this stuff they were two years old and then they stopped getting one star reviews, or that they stopped doing it or they fixed the problem that everybody was complaining about. So a lot of research went into getting this build and actually doing it, um, you know. So the first things we put on was the body armor bump, front bumper with the winch which I went with that one more because of the style, and I didn't have to cut my factory fog lights out. It just sits in that black area that's plastic with a little bit of trim around it and I'm thinking about getting the wings that basically go in place of you know, the Viper cut. They kind of come up and go either side, right below the factory fog lights, which I wanted to keep because they're there, they work. Why get rid of something that's?
Speaker 2:I'm going to probably put different lights on and if you're, if you're watching live right now, I have it up so you can see that you're just cutting out. For those of you that have tacomas, you're just cutting it out and this is what they call. If you were to search google, this is what's called a covert front bumper. Yes, it'll show you all the brands, yep, but this specific one is actually extremely popular. This, literally this specific one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's a couple things I did notice. If you buy it on Amazon, it might not be the one from Body Armor, right? So if you're going to buy it, go right from Body Armor and get it from there, because then you know you're getting the right thing.
Speaker 2:And this is a thing to pay attention to. Guys Like if I get a bunch of Tacoma people, if you read this right here, this accommodates the factory TRD skid plate. That won't be identified on a lot of bumpers, but a lot of full steel bumpers do not accommodate the factory skid plate. So make sure you're paying attention, because skid plates aren't cheap. No, they're not. This is actually a really good option to get into a steel bumper because you don't also have to buy. I always talk about you fix one problem, you create three more.
Speaker 1:This actually just fixes a problem, it doesn't create more problems no, and the way it mounts is is really good as well. It's got. It goes with the. The normal bumper mounts, like cause you get, you pull out the little aluminum piece that comes in there that has, I think, three bolts on either side, but then this also adds a fourth one. That's a through bolt. That goes all the way through the frame and it's just not on the studs of the frame. So it's got a little extra kind of support on it, because that's one of the common things people say that break is if you're winching something you're going to rip your frame apart. But you know everybody's going to complain about something anyway and you're right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're 100 right and then stuff that with a 13 000 pound open road winch synthetic that you know it works well. We'll see how it works when I actually got to use it. But I'd rather have more and, like I said, that one was less than their 9,500 pound winch when.
Speaker 2:I bought it and that's, and that I find that to be common across the board with a lot of these winches the twelves because the 9,500, the gearing's just a little different, yeah, yeah. So I mean that's just a little different. That's yeah, um, yeah, so I mean that's just a common thing. A lot of guys run this open road winch and like it a lot. I it's not what I have, but I don't know that you could probably buy. I mean, it's a winch, is a winch, is a winch. Honestly, they're probably all china made. Oh, yeah, um, quite frankly, so don't get too wrapped around the axle there. But I agree with what brian said as well Like, just look at reviews, like look at what people are saying and also make sure it's not like a sponsored review. I always make a big deal.
Speaker 2:I trust sponsored reviews, which is why when I give you guys reviews, I'm like caveat I didn't pay for this for free. It's for free, it's great, yeah, like, yeah for free. It's for free, it's great, yeah, like. But I try to give you the negatives, if I can you know outside of that. So back to the build list here. Um, I want to talk about what I've never heard of. Uh, bud bill okay, but you seem to have spent a good amount of money with them.
Speaker 1:So I didn't ever hear of who Bud Built was until I'm part of a group on Facebook called Venture Unknown, which also you mentioned that your Toyota Trucks was it Toyota Trucks of Arkansas doing a big cleanup. I do two to three cleanups a year with this group where we've already done. We're trying to get like a hundred thousand pounds just this next event. But anyway, budbilt, I got it from someone in that group and she had posted it up for sale a couple of times for essentially half of what that price is for the. Yeah, so that front skid plate right there, that one, it's covered in mud when they show it. But um, I uh picked that up from her at an event for like half the price and it's.
Speaker 1:It is all of three, sixteenths inch steel. It is heavy. It is very well built. In my opinion. It's not like all the pieces aren't welded or they are welded like they're bent, and it's not like all the pieces aren't welded or they are welded Like they're bent, and it's not like it's pieced together and welded together. It's a solid piece that's all bent together and then the edges are welded. It fits really good. It's got a door on it for the oil filter so you don't have to pull it down every time you have to change your oil on the Tacoma. And then, once I saw that, I went well, they've got a mid skid plate, they've got a trans skid plate, they've got a whole system that fits together. You know, and it's it's just, they fit very seamless together. There's very small gaps. So once I saw that, I'm like I got to do it. Plus, it's local to North Carolina.
Speaker 2:Man, I want to tell you guys too, like I've never heard of this brand. But you can get this in 316 steel light steel, 1-8 steel light steel, stainless steel and aluminum. Light steel and stainless steel is not something I ever see.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:As an option, as even an option.
Speaker 1:And a lot of times they don't have like this one here, that picture you were just showing right there. Um, for the, the mid skid plate it has, they have the option to do a door. Yeah or your oil pan or just have a hole for your oil drain. You know, on the front skid plate has the option for the door, so you're not having to take it up and down and up and down, which is what I really liked about it well, and my skid plate actually is your front and mid skid plate in one piece okay and it's aluminum, um, so it's not two separate pieces, right, um?
Speaker 2:but I have a brand I work with specifically, so that's just what they make. Everything on my truck is that same brand, but I'm I'm pimping your guys today so yeah, no, they like they're.
Speaker 1:The quality on it's really good. If you send them an email with a question, they get right back to you. Um, the trans skid plate. You have to buy that little cross member, which is separate because it goes. If you don't relocate your exhaust, it hangs down a little bit and then you got to have that cross member on the back side to the back end of it. It all fits well together. I'm probably going to get the gas tank skid plate at some point.
Speaker 2:I highly recommend that. Yeah, just yes, and yeah, highly recommend that. What did you do? So we're talking about this and just my truck and your truck being similar in this one aspect. What'd you do to your brake lines on the back? I mine truck and your truck being similar in this one aspect? What'd you do to your brake lines on the back? I mine?
Speaker 1:I relocated the hanger for my rear emergency brake lines um, mine actually was fine when I, after I did the lift it, everything fit right in. It just went into that little spot on there and I haven't had an issue with it at all.
Speaker 2:Mine were hanging up, so I ditched the little sheet metal that was doing, doing it, some favors there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that thing ended up being just fine. I haven't noticed any issue with it yet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those guys. I can't tell you If you've got Tacoma and you're not. I've heard nothing but bad stuff. Not bad, but just mixed reviews on different brands of Alcans Dever Springs. I will tell this again for the 65th time on this podcast. The Ironman Springs for the Tacoma are two separate part numbers. You get one for one side which accommodates the driver and the gas tank, and the other side is their side specific.
Speaker 1:So other brands.
Speaker 2:It's not a taco lean it does, and other brands talk about flip-flopping them. When one sags Like you don't. Just, you don't have to do it again, and it's not necessarily a hard job, but it is very annoying.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, it is. I don't even want to get into the springs, but we'll get to the lift last. That was a long day.
Speaker 2:Very, very arduous. Yeah, let's talk about these rock sliders. Let's click these up. I want to see what these are. I don't know about these either. They look like similar to many brands. They were. But, the price. Holy moly, that's great.
Speaker 1:I got that. A friend of mine, ben, who's also part of that group that I met with. He recommended this brand right here, the Forex Innovations. I went in there and looked and the price is amazing. And then I sent it out to a friend of mine like the link as far as what it is, to a friend of mine who builds buggies, like he has two rock crawling Jeep buggies that he has um rock crawling Jeep buggies that he has. And when he saw that with the, you know, one seven, five with one 20, I don't know what that means, but he said it's rare to find sliders that have that dimension and that size tubing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that DOM tubing is huge, so that's actually got like that. That tubing is not going to to bend, it's not going to crush. Um, when you're looking at tube stuff for off-road vehicles, you want to make sure you're getting that DOM tubing. My upper control arms also are 0.12 or not 0.120. I think they're 0.80 DOM tubing. But that's something to pay attention to. Is the type of tubing. Raw steel, Like that makes a big difference To find something for $575 with DOM tubing and I'm not trying to talk crap on brands, but Cali Raised makes a very similar one for $1,100, literally twice as much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then as soon as you go with a bolt-on, it almost doubles the price anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mine are welded on too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I thought about doing a bolt-on, but I'm like I'm not gonna get rid of the truck miles to do. Welded on, it's gonna be stronger in the long run. I'd rather have it to where I have the ability to lay them down a little bit or bring them up a little bit and have a better idea of where I exactly where I want them to I jack the truck up on them all the time.
Speaker 2:That's why I welded mine up. I like, literally, literally, jack it up on them on the, because there's so much it's tick, almost don't have a lot of points to jack a truck up.
Speaker 1:No which is surprising with being a frame I know it's ridiculous it's in just bad spots, but those aren't installed yet. I'm installing those in two weeks. I'm taking them down to my buddy who builds the buggies. He's going to help me weld them on, because I don't have a welder and I've never welded before.
Speaker 2:Man, yeah, If you listen to this and you got a Tacoma and you don't have rock sliders, I mean, guys, I couldn't build these myself for that cheap. I mean I probably could, but why would I?
Speaker 1:I mean, the lead time on them was like about four to six weeks.
Speaker 2:But yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know when he sent them out, he and them, and where I got my rear bumper from their build to order. Like, when you order them, they build them, they don't have stock. So these are all smaller companies that just build as you need them. Well, let's just go straight to the rear bumper, because that's also a must when you got a longer vehicle. Yeah, and if you, if you've, if you've seen anything on on the tacoma, the uh, driver's side rear fender got a little bashed in, which is why we now have a high clearance bumper and that's all steel there now oh yeah, it's all steel.
Speaker 1:The swing out is um. So this one I kind of found just reviewing and watching videos on rear high clearance bumpers for Tacoma. This one stood out because it looked it had the sensor holes excuse me, which. A lot of bumpers don't have that. And if you've got your backup sensors or any of that stuff, you got to have those in there, otherwise it's going to throw a whole bunch of error codes and do a whole bunch of not fun stuff to your, your cpu and your computer in your truck. So had to have those.
Speaker 1:Um, I think cali rays makes one, there's a couple others that make it. But we, going into the build, everything was passenger side swing out. So before we ordered it we emailed the ATH and a guy named Morgan who builds everything responded within an hour because we said hey, is there a way we can swap it to where it swings out the driver's side and that's so when it swings out, my cooking surface is in that drawer on the driver's side and the awning comes off of the passenger side. So everything is kind of built around having that be able to swing out on the driver's side. And he goes yeah, you can do that, just put it in the notes and I'll build it. I think it was like an extra 100, 150 bucks to have them switch that over, which to me is is 100 worth it?
Speaker 1:yeah, no big deal there and then all the other questions. Every time we emailed him it was right back. He was very. He sent us pictures during the build of when he was building it. So I cannot recommend this rear bumper more to anybody, because it's it's it is.
Speaker 2:It's very well built and customer service is great and again, I use all, all pro stuff like my, all my skids, my bumpers, all my stuff's all pro off-road. Um, and it is, I don't have swing outs and my bumper was 200 more than this, my rear one. So I mean, that's just what it is, so you guys can shop. These are all things I never even, I don't even know.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know now A lot of it was just researching or just doing a search on YouTube, while I'm sitting there doing nothing else, and those of you guys, that are Sorry and those of you guys that are listening later.
Speaker 2:It's ATH Fabrication ATH.
Speaker 1:At the helm. There you go, that's what it stands for and that's getting installed next weekend. Yeah, that's fun, yeah. And then the lift which I had been looking at this lift probably since before I got to Tacoma, because of the options for the heavyweight front springs and the heavyweight rear springs, and that was the main reason why I went with Ironman, and the reviews are really good on it too, but they have, I think the fronts are an additional 200 pounds.
Speaker 2:Yeah 220.
Speaker 1:And the rear, they have options. So the rear were an extra, like four. Yeah, extra 400 plus.
Speaker 2:My rears are actually different than these.
Speaker 1:Are they?
Speaker 2:Mine are 600 plus. Okay, mine are a constant load, not heavy load. Mine are a little different, but I ordered them independently.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you ordered those separate. Yeah, because you ordered those separate from everything else.
Speaker 2:I did, and they might not make them anymore. To be honest with you, I don't know they. They weren't the easiest to get for me. I waited a long time for them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, the only thing I didn't like about the Ironman stuff is when I ordered it it came from like four different places, like some from Pennsylvania, something came from Washington, something came from somewhere else, but when it all showed up it was, I mean, it was pretty, fairly easy to install, is there? There's the heavy load for 40.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't make them like the ones I have anymore. It doesn't look like or they just re-rated them. They might've just re-rated them. Mine have six leafs. What are those ones that you that I clicked up for? I mean, they're great either way.
Speaker 1:Oh they're. They're amazing, phenomenal. Yeah, they're great. You know, when I installed the lift kit, I left the truck loaded, so yeah, mine are exactly like these this same spring, or they probably just re-rated it then.
Speaker 2:Then probably, or they probably just re-rated it, then Probably yeah, it's the same one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when Loaded it probably lifted it From the stock to where it is Probably 6 inches, which is probably 3 inches Over the stock height when it's loaded.
Speaker 2:Yes, mine's way Oversprung, without all the stuff on the back Right now, but once you get everything in it and they flatten a little bit, I mean they flatten a good bit. Yes, mine's way over sprung, without all the stuff on the back right now, but once you get everything in it and they flatten a little bit, I mean they flatten a good bit. Yeah, once you drive them for a while, yeah. But for those of you guys that again I got to cater to you guys that are going to listen too, this whole entire lift kit is $1,200. And for $1,200, you're're getting you're really getting a lot. So you're getting front struts, lift struts, you're getting rear shocks, you're getting new shackles and new bushings and new leaf springs. So this isn't like your typical lift kit where you look at it, you just get front struts and rear shocks and a block for the rear. This is a true rear lift for this vehicle. That's extremely affordable.
Speaker 2:And if you want to get stage two with upper control arms, which is what I ended up getting, to add upper control arms is another $400. My upper control arms alone were $1,000. So, like buying it like this, but I didn't need it all. So to me it was still it was. It was irrelevant, right. But like I and I put I don't know if I put you on to Ironman or not, but I know me and you talked about it, probably before you had your truck I think that's how I met you was discussing this exact thing Actually was like what I had on mine and, and so I can't say enough how affordable that is, and you'll see that they got it show marked down. I have seen them for full price at that $25. I have, too, just wait.
Speaker 1:That's like. You know, when I went and bought everything it was during a bunch of spring sales where I got a bunch of stuff half off and I can't stress enough enough. Search for discount codes. Just go on google and type in what you're buying and type discount code. You'll come up with a bunch of them and then you'll type it in. It'll either work or not. I think we got an extra five, ten percent on a lot of stuff that you know I wouldn't have gotten. But that's just looking around and making sure you're getting the best deal you can 100% Installing this other than being on a gravel driveway on jack stands.
Speaker 2:it really wasn't that bad. Just remember, guys, if you do a suspension lift after you're done, you need to get it realigned when you do the the rear suspension lift actually on a solid axle vehicle, that you can't align the back anyways, so that you don't, I don't need to do that I took it in the alignment shop and I had not gotten it aligned from when it got knocked out when we took it wheeling and it took the guy two and a half hours to align it.
Speaker 1:But I gave him an. Iron man gives you a spec sheet that has this is what the upper control arm should be set at. Yeah, and I gave that to him and he said it right to that. It's not they. You can make the. They will work with a tacoma.
Speaker 2:You know stock alignment but I went with what iron man recommends and that truck drives amazing, like on the road off-road it's, it's great and what it does is it moves the caster actually back, yeah, with the upper control arm, which allows a little bit better travel. So it's a, yeah, but this is a pretty solid like. I think this is, I like your, what you're doing here, because I think this is what you're doing here, because I think this is A you're doing it right now One. B you're doing it alone. And C I bet you have legitimately with your build, 10 grand, probably that fair to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I would say that for sure, close, close, close.
Speaker 2:Like 10, 12?.
Speaker 1:It's hovering right around 10. I would think you know a lot of stuff like the drawers. The most expensive for the drawers were my um my 60 inch drawer sliders.
Speaker 2:Those were like 300 bucks yes, they all, they can be, but then the lumber to buy them was another.
Speaker 1:You know that was another 200 bucks just in lumber to put that together. So right, you know. But then I have the ability to customize it. And you know, put my blackstone griddle burner combo, which isn't as heavy as you think it would be, because that that whole pan is not cast iron, it's like a no stick aluminum, so it's not really that heavy. But with that I can put those drawers.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I want them well, and my friend johnny. We were out going real hard when I was testing out my suspension and we actually broke his homemade drawers and that's one of the benefits to having homemade ones, though, is he had them ripped out and rebuilt in like a day. Yeah, he could salvage it all. Like if my deck system breaks, i'm'm effed Like straight up, like there's no, we're done, we're done, like we're done. Like I'm taping something, zip tying, drilling holes and zip tying stuff. It's just the only way you could make it happen. So I yeah, I can't say enough about I am a big fan of building your own sleeping platform and drawers, huge fan of it. I am a big fan of building your own sleeping platform and drawers, huge fan of it. I am just so sick and I've said it a million times Like Brian is in a much more motivated stage than me right now I am very sick of working on my truck.
Speaker 1:I'm sure I'll get there eventually. I love that you're not. I don't think you know I've been tinkering with trucks and cars, probably like you have, since I was 14 years old when I got my first 85 Ford Ranger two-wheel drive that my dad said here, this is going to be your truck when you're 16.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I mean it's nice to talk to somebody that's like your truck's three years newer than mine, you're a couple years behind building. Like it's nice when you can get people on and they're like doing it right now, like you're way more relevant stuff I have on my truck. Some of it doesn't exist anymore, like companies that went out of business. Stuff has changed, like things have changed, you know. And then I even.
Speaker 1:I even got like the little things like I'm sure everybody has a midland radio but the way I did it wasn't just sticking on the dash, it's in my glove box and I ran a ethernet cable from there to right by my feet so I can plug the mic in there and it's. You know the way I'm playing. I feel like I'm trying to plan every step so I don't have to redo something or I don't have to go back and go wait. Why did I get the driver's side awning when my kitchen's on this side? And when I pulled the drawer out I got to go out from under the awning to get to the other side of the awning. Like there's a lot of stuff that I'm trying to think of and think out before I actually build.
Speaker 2:And that leads me to one thing that, like I've rebuilt stuff there's no doubt about that and everybody can learn from my mistakes and I'm fine being the guy that made them a hundred percent like totally cool with that. But one thing that I went through multiple of was air compressors. What do you do for air compressor?
Speaker 1:I picked up a and this was. I got this from a recommendation. It was Dirt Head Dave, who used to be on Dirt Every Day.
Speaker 2:But Dirt Head Shed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dirt Head Shed. He got the Maddox from Harbor Freight and he said he used that a bunch to air up his 40-inch tires on his Mazda Roddy or it's not Mazda Roddy, that's somebody else what's his Mazda? That? He has His Mazda crawler truck. He's got that. He's got a couple trucks and he said he could air up with that. It's a little slow but no problems for all he does. So I don't pick that up. It was fairly cheap, um, but that's what I have for air eventually.
Speaker 2:I it's just in a bag, it's sitting there, but yeah and I mean one thing guys like you're gonna hear it from brian, and same thing you hear from me it's pretty obvious that we get on youtube keyword search and just watch some stuff, because that's exact, that's the compressor I started with. I have an ARB on board now, but that's for more of it. I mean that's lockers and there's a lot you could do with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and right now I just need to air up and air down, so it's going to work out fine. I you know I need more and you could. I mean, yeah, it works out fine, it does work.
Speaker 2:And you could I mean, yeah, it works out fine. It does work out fine. So I mean, I just always ask about that because it seems like right now there is a lot of options out there as far as compressors. There's a lot of options for everything out there, Kind of, but like those frame sliders you just showed me for $575, you could tell anybody they're any brand.
Speaker 2:They look so similar to anything else Exactly. I can't stress enough, guys. What is this? 4x Innovations, 4x Innovations. I'm probably emailing them tomorrow. Let me get you guys some business. This is crazy.
Speaker 1:The guy's name is Adam and it comes out of. I want to say they come out of.
Speaker 2:Wisconsin. I'll put you on the email. Like they need some press.
Speaker 1:That's a phenomenal price they come out of he builds them out of Wisconsin, so you know it was. But he builds them as you order them and I got them. I pulled them out. They're raw, so you got to paint them and finish them, but they're they're. They're hefty, they are, they're built to not break.
Speaker 2:And just for you like again, I'm not real formal on here you should really, really, really really do a video on painting frame sliders. That's a question I actually get all the time time, really, yeah. So whatever you do with them, I I have my own stuff, I do with my stuff. But that is a question I get regularly because a lot of people will buy raw, if given the option, because it's cheaper yeah and it's cheaper to fix too.
Speaker 1:That's scratches the other thing like I'm not getting them powder coated, I'm just I my love of freight. I got their chassis and grill paint which spreads really easy, and then I'm using the Harbor freight brand bed liner because I know it's cheap, it's going to get scratched off, it's going to get dented and it's going to be so much easier just to be like piece of cardboard and all right, a hundred percent fixed Absolutely, and I mean that percent fixed absolutely.
Speaker 2:And I mean that is. I get that question a lot and I can't explain to people like that's precisely what I did. I did self-etching primer and some type of you know, sealant paint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, the biggest thing is getting all the the protective oil and grease off of it before you paint it with acetone, yeah, that's right, I use brake clean and some sandpaper and that's what I did with the bumper which I have. You know I did that with the rear bumper, I did that with the topper. There's more in-depth on the topper, on how I did it, but it's just the same process. You prime it, yep, and then you just throw some cheap bed liner on it that you know you can get anywhere.
Speaker 2:And you're not going to get upset when it gets scratched because you powder coat it. You're going to have to go and deal with that. Even that harbor freight I think it might be herculiner, I'm not sure. But the benefit of getting the harbor freight bed liner is you can get it in a gallon to do the big job, but then when you have to patch it you can get it in an aerosol which is all aerosol, which is great super nice, that's a lot less mess and it's nine dollars a can.
Speaker 1:It might be a little expensive but I can.
Speaker 2:I did the whole rear bumper, I think, with a can and a half and and for you guys that uh again, I gotta always gotta kind of take myself back here. Canadian tire it's gonna have similar stuff you could order from Harbor Freight online. You don't have to have a Harbor Freight, you don't have to have like this is going to be your normal parts store. So I got to always think of that. Like we're always talking in reference to like what we have, which is a lot more similar to like my listeners in the UK and my listeners in British Columbia and Australia, but like what Harbor Freight is essentially and I might be like I don't want to be like insulting anyone's intelligence, but it's- like discount automotive stuff.
Speaker 2:It's not even just automotive stuff, it's just it's discount stuff. Yes, and you can get a lot of stuff there, but it's like like if you're in Australia, like King's brand stuff King's not King shocks, but King's makes a lot of cheaper overlanding gear and, again, a lot of the stuff we can get here in the United States you can get in Canada, british Columbia, alaska and they have Harbor Freights around too. But just just for you guys that we're talking about lower grade tools and products and they're a little cheaper.
Speaker 1:It's not like I'm a professional using this stuff. I'm just a guy in my backyard doing what I can so it works. I'm not going to go out and spend several hundred dollars on bed liner or whatever you're going to do. Harbor Freight has stuff that works. I'd rather try and be as economical as possible, spend the money where I have to and then, if I can save some, I'll save some. But the stuff that I have on that list, my current build right now, the stuff I had to get that cost money, I spent the money. The other stuff the roof rack who cares? It doesn't have to be a fancy $3,000 roof rack. It's made out of Unistrut and bolts and it holds my awning and it's cold. My basket, which is going to hold stuff, that's all it's for.
Speaker 2:And because you've got the six foot bed, you it was going to hold stuff, that's all it's for. And because you've got the six foot bed, you sleep in the back. So now a rooftop tent's not even a consideration, which is so much what I wish I would have done, not that.
Speaker 2:I don't love my rooftop tent and I'm not like in the Hyatt of the outdoors, but like there's a lot of things that come with a rooftop tent as far as like mounting weight carrying, like just sleeping in the back so much more fun too. Like it's just, it's like you're a kid and you're in a ford again. Like I like it's, it's what it's like it's, it's great.
Speaker 1:And then, you know, I even the first time I went out in it was in january in tennessee, and so I had. You know, everybody's got a diesel heater. I, I got one. I'm like, how am I going to heat this? I went to Home Depot, bought a dryer vent plastic exit hole thing that goes on your house, yep, and just drilled a hole in the side of the freaking top 100% and used a four-inch drain plug from the plumbing section and, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Screws on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was so nice to have that and and just me and you talking, because I like to get into this but like that stuff people don't know. You should do some content on that. Like I am here to talk to people that do. Like I'm here to provide as much as I can audibly, but like people don't know about that. I, I know about that, but like how you did, that is applicable to every single person. The amount of people I've talked to about they have a camper shell but they have a rooftop tent like I have.
Speaker 2:They're like well, how do you heat the camper shell? Because that's where my dog sleeps Exactly. Like even the splitters. Like you should that is great content, and people want that content. They don't know these things. Should that is great content and people want that content. They don't know these things. You me and you were talking about it. But like we come from a long line of probably diy things, everything correct, so like that's, that's, that's well known by us, but people don't know, like that's not well known, that stuff's good at all. That's like at all. Like even just the parts list. They're like what is that? Where'd you get that? Like get the GoPro on, walk through Home Depot, whatever People want that. This is it, this is it, yeah, xyz. Like they could just follow your instructions and now you're their guy. That's a good idea.
Speaker 1:I've started doing that.
Speaker 2:I get those questions all the time and I try to articulate it through speech the best I can, but there's only so much, also only so much you could describe verbally, right, you know so, but anyways, that gets us to about about the end of Brian's truck. Um, just make sure you guys go over to his YouTube channel, cause he's going to be putting up some cool videos that we just discussed. Um, he's going to go over some of the things as his build goes on, probably updates. He's on Instagram, he's on YouTube, I'm sure he's on Facebook, it's all across the boards. Boondock Haverlock, he's also very active.
Speaker 2:I've never met Brian in my life period, but I know him through this, just like I talk about. This is actually a pretty decent community of people, so I've gotten to know him. My friend Benji's had him on and you know it's just nice to see people getting into it and that makes that kind of that kind of excites me because, like, I'm kind of past that now, but that's what I want to kind of be cultivating in people that are kind of like, what do I do next? How did I do this? Like I've just became today in the last hour, privy of four different brands I have saved here.
Speaker 2:I knew about body armor, you know, I knew about open road, but I knew about Ironman, but these fabrication companies and skid plate companies I did not know anything about and they they seem to be, you know, very competitively priced, depending on what shipping comes out to you where you live, right, so it's worth looking at. But if you're in United, by Overland Brian's, in there for sure, and he mentioned a couple other groups here which I'll be checking out and he's also active like super, super, available on instagram. I think I've talked to you probably the most on instagram, probably yeah, I'm, I'm always checking.
Speaker 1:I'm always available to anybody's. Any questions, let me know. I know you asked about where the name boondock came from. I do. I want to know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when we decided to do the youtube and the instagram, it wasn't out of hey, let's get famous, out of it. It was. I needed a creative outlet. I'm used to the back of me. I got drums. I was in a band that was creative. I hadn't haven't done that in a while. So the YouTube, instagram is just creative outlet.
Speaker 1:So me and my wife were kind of trying to figure out a brand for it and just going through different names and she just goesondock taverlock, that kind of rhymes, but not really. But it rolls off the tongue really nice and it makes sense because where I grew up in michigan, when you went out to the boonies or you lived far away from town, you lived out in the boonies, you lived out in the boondocks. That's what we called it. So to me, boondock taverlock, I'm out in the woods, I'm out in the boondocks. When we picked the name, I did not know at the time there was something called boondocking, which is. I had no idea that existed until I started looking and went. I guess that's kind of okay because that's totally okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's, it's it makes sense because you're just traveling and you're sleeping in somebody's yard, or you're sleeping in someplace in your camper, somewhere else on the road. You're not going to hotels, you're, you're just. It makes sense. So I embraced it, I like it, I I'm very happy with it.
Speaker 2:It's unique. That's why I wanted to know I'm like it's unique. I don't know if there's like a meaning. I like that it. I I sling stuff all the time, so I'm just like I here, I am thinking you got some like familiar story, Like oh no, it just came out of nowhere. Sisters Like you're just, you're no different than me. You're like what's not? Yeah, this is. This is cool. Is this a thing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we're sitting and where she just goes boondock taver like I go, I like that and that was it. It was, it was crazy, but it worked. It does work.
Speaker 2:It works fine, but make sure, guys. So I'll probably have brian back on at some point once this truck is done. I want to hear what you think of it, with all the weight on it, with all that like. I want to have you back and discuss. It's now done. What follow-ons do you think you would need, or is it good? What have you noticed? That's different.
Speaker 1:Well, if you're going to rendezvous, you're going to see it, cause I'm actually making the trip out to rendezvous this year.
Speaker 2:I will be there on Saturday, cause I, I, it was questionable if I was going to get my truck back before October. It's in my driveway right now, though, so we're good, but yeah, I'm heading out there.
Speaker 1:I'll be camping with Benji so.
Speaker 2:I'll find Benji for sure. I mean, yeah, I'll find, that's where I will go. Anyways, I will go find Benji, that's yeah, that's a given. So awesome guys. Well, I appreciate you guys all listening. Give me some comments. I want to know if you guys liked having Brian on. Give me some comments. I want to know if you guys liked having Brian on. Go check out his channel. Leave him a comment. Let him know you came from here and I will catch you guys next week. Make sure you get out.