Outskirts Overland Podcast
Welcome to the Outskirts Overland Podcast, your go-to source for all things overlanding! Hosted by a seasoned adventurer with over 15 years of experience, this podcast offers a genuine and down-to-earth exploration of the overlanding lifestyle. Whether you're a seasoned traveler or just starting out, join us as we delve into the essentials of gear and equipment, share captivating stories from the road, and provide practical tips for your next adventure. Tune in for insightful interviews, expert advice, and a community of like-minded explorers who share a passion for discovering the world beyond the beaten path. Get ready to fuel your wanderlust and embark on unforgettable journeys with the Outskirts Overland Podcast!
Outskirts Overland Podcast
Why Most People Quit Overlanding After Just Two Years
Have you ever wondered why so many people exit the overlanding community after just a couple of years? Despite the explosion of overlanding content on social media and the apparent accessibility of the hobby, most enthusiasts quietly disappear before they've truly established themselves in the lifestyle.
Drawing from two decades of overlanding experience, I dive deep into this fascinating phenomenon. The harsh reality is that building competence in this hobby takes significantly more time than most are willing or able to commit. Between life changes, financial considerations, and the stark difference between Instagram-worthy moments and the long, sometimes tedious reality of travel and camp setup, many enthusiasts find themselves unable to sustain their initial enthusiasm.
What's particularly challenging is the disconnect between where experienced overlanders are now and where they started. Standing next to my fully-equipped Tacoma with years of knowledge and specialized gear, I recognize how intimidating this can be for newcomers who mistakenly believe they need to replicate my setup from day one. The truth? I started with a basic bivvy sack in the desert before gradually building my skills and gear collection over many years.
For those determined to break the cycle of early abandonment, the secret isn't in acquiring the right gear—it's in prioritizing experience over equipment. A simple setup with a ground tent, sleeping bag, cooler, and basic cooking equipment is more than enough to begin this journey. The most valuable insights come from time on the trail, not from browsing overlanding catalogs or social media feeds.
Want to make overlanding a sustainable part of your life? Start with what you have, focus on building skills rather than acquiring gear, and approach the hobby with patience. The most rewarding aspects of this lifestyle emerge only after pushing through those crucial early years that so many never survive.
The hey guys. Welcome to Outskirts Overland. It is Thursday morning and it is National Chocolate Chip Day. There is always some. The days are weird, man. I I think it's fun, though. I just recorded with benji last night. It's live today.
Speaker 1:Um, it's a two hour long podcast. We did two hours and, man, we're all over the place. Not a bad way, I mean. I mean that sounds bad, we're all over the place. We covered a lot of stuff. I'm gonna go ahead and say we covered a lot of stuff. I don't know about all over the place.
Speaker 1:I got home at about 10-something last night, just long enough to catch up on some football talk on the way home and pass out. So that's about what yesterday included. This morning got up, I had to take a. I got a GCI rocker. I had to take it back to Target. I got it at Target Target's on my way home. So I do pick up stuff at Target. They had a GCI rocker. I got that thing and it was hooked up Like it looks like they drug it across a metal grate of some type. I don't know. It was all kinds of tore up. Those things were like 90 bucks Frigging back, that goes. I was like nah, so went and took that back this morning.
Speaker 1:So the podcast is a few minutes later. Because I had to go hit up Target. And before anybody even thinks anything, target is not my first choice to buy anything, but as I get on my way home, to get on the highway, I've got to go buy Target. So Target is usually a good place to do pickup. I had to walk in that place today. It is Mom City, that's. I mean, that's why I only do pickup. But you couldn't. At 8 am you can't do a drop-off return. You can do a drop-off return, but at 8 am. So I had to go in. If you're a guy that is of any middle age, then you have female in your life. You know the pain of Target. So that's what I did this morning.
Speaker 1:But today we talked about it last night a just a little bit, just a slight bit on, uh, the podcast with benji. But it's the topic. I want to think that I mean it's good that I do those with him because it does kind of get my brain working again on different stuff. But the thing I wanted to. We briefly touched on the turnover of Overlanding and how he mentioned people don't even know he does a podcast and Benji's had a podcast for a long time. Budget Overland was a huge podcast, was a big podcast and the Budget Overlanding group reached I don't know. The Budget Overlanding group at one time I think was over 60,000 people and Benji ran that. And a lot of people don't know that and the reason they don't know that is because we're talking about the turnover of overlanding and a lot of people, a lot of people looked at people. I think a lot of newer folks look to folks that have been doing it a long time for ideas and experience. And you know conversation, but the fact of the matter is there's not very many people that have been doing a long time because everyone kind of has a turnover every couple of years.
Speaker 1:You know, um, I've had lots of different friends that have went with me. You know a lot for eight months, ten months a year, some two years. At this point I don't have very many, maybe one that has been three, even three. It gets in and out, of, it switches gears, gets into something else. You know like adults now. Pickleball is popular, man golf is popular as my age. So pickleball, golf, bike riding, just kids, house, family, job.
Speaker 1:You know like I'm of the age where people start to get management positions and it kind of eats their life away. They work salary, they work too much in my opinion, and, man, I'll probably talk to you on that a little bit even why people get out of it, how you're really just I don't know. You're like crushing your joy for so many things that are not for yourself. Not that anybody should be selfish, but you know, you got to take care of yourself and I, I don't know, I would resent the situation I was in if I couldn't continue doing this hobby to some extent, like it's that big of a deal to me. I'd be like man, I don't this job doesn't let me do it. Like I hate it this, like I'm in this marriage or relationship and I can't do it that like so then I would just feel like I'm always given you know, and I guess that's just me, but or maybe that's a thought you guys have, but that's a little off topic. So we're talking about how the turnover is about every two to three years and and it's almost tough for me, for me I'm not speaking for Benji, I'm totally talking about me here. This is just a topic that we touched on yesterday. But it's tough for me because here's how I look at it. You're always getting new people, so one you're having the same kind of conversation over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 1:A guy, marty McFlyfly, just commented through hiking is my hobby. Yeah, marty, and in in how many people? So through hiking is actually super cool. So, marty, I don't know marty from adam, but marty just said through hiking is my hobby. Well, through hiking, if you guys don't know, is where, like these huge, long trails like the Appalachian Trail, the Continental Divide Trail, the Pacific Coast Trail, pacific Crest Trail, and they're like thousands of miles. That's what through hiking is. So it's essentially like overlanding a lot, lot slower on your feet, camping every day for a super long period of time.
Speaker 1:Some people do break it up, um, some people do break it up and, uh, some people do it straight. So some people are like take, you know, quit their job and take a year off or six months off or whatever, and hike this super long time. But again, that's a hobby too, marty, that like it takes some time, it takes some dedication. And that's a hobby too, marty, that like it takes some time, it takes some dedication, it's going to take a good amount of knowledge. It's it's a great. It's a great like. It's a great example, like it's very similar. It's going to take a lot to be interested in that hobby and to be consistent in that hobby, but you're also not going to get better or more knowledgeable or understand.
Speaker 1:So, like when you're through hiking, there's different spots that you're going to be, like there's different towns where you could stop and do like your laundry and different things, and people send mail to those different spots so that they have supplies at a place they're going to stop. So they kind of map out where they're going to be and have mail sent there to the post office so they could pick up their mail, whether it's a new socks, shoes, pants, snacks, something. But if they need something along the way because they are on the trail for an extended period of time, so they get mail sent to these different places. And there's people there that I don't know what. They call them trail angels or something, but they're people that essentially have sanctuary for through hikers to come sleep, have a meal, you know, enjoy a shower, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Um, and if you're thinking, dang Charlie, why do you know so much about this? Or why do you know anything about it? I hiked before. Uh, well, simultaneously I was hiking and overlanding. I lived in joshua tree, california, I mean, that's, that's what's there. Okay, so, like, I've done, I'm not by any means gonna say I'm a through hiker, but I've done, I know about it. Okay, like it's a thing that was out there through hiking, rock climbing, overlanding, backpacking, so like, maybe a little more maximal versus through hiking is typically a little lighter due to the nature of the distance. But, uh, so I do know about it.
Speaker 1:I'm very, I'm just, passionate about learning about outdoor stuff so that I can, um, so that I can keep that community strong. So it's not like, uh, I don't want to be. Like, oh, I'm an overlander or car keep or whatever. Uh, then you're a through hiker and I'm superior, or, and I would expect the same, like my experience with hikers and rock climbers and overlanders from when I was doing it long, long ago and was around these, these people is everybody was like, really interested in the other. That's's how I know about it. Like we would, we were amongst each other, it wasn't segregated, kind of like it is now Like, oh, that's the blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Like I'd stop a lot of times and an Epic like place to climb was also a cool place to camp so like, and the climbers would camp at night and you'd see them get their crash pads out and all that stuff and almost like I just watch them, them like that was my entertainment a little bit. But also through hikers are coming through and you'd see them and they just be like dirty and wore out and you can tell they're like you can just I don't know if you guys ever meet any through hikers you're gonna know like immediately like their body structure is like so endurant, like walking endurance, looking like seriously, like there's a look, big calves, you know, tall socks, weird tan lines, um, you know they're kind of. Yeah, you just tell anyways, if you know, you know, um, so you just pick their brain. They want to know about what you're doing and your stuff and you know, and naturally you should ask about their stuff. So I've learned a lot just from being in this hobby for a long time.
Speaker 1:I've learned from these other hobbies because, quite frankly, rock climbing, through hiking, backpacking, bike packing, those all preceded overlanding being a thing. So when I was overlanding those, I was the. I was the new, the new thing. You know, like I was the new, the interesting, unknown, novel thing at that point. So, but that's real cool. Marty, I appreciate that I went on a little tangent about your hobby just so people could understand what that even means.
Speaker 1:Um, but yeah, the people stay in this for like two or three years, I think. They find out it's either a expensive time consuming, not necessarily as glorious or glorious or fulfilling potentially as they thought it was. The thing you don't see on youtube, and I think think YouTube drives overlanding and I'd say two or three-year turnover, but I'd say there's a good year before people even get into that, two or three years where they just become obsessed with YouTube creators and YouTube content to like, get motivated and inspired to even start to even begin. So I think that that's a thing too. So, like, I don't know if you'd include in that two or three years or if that's a fourth, you know a fourth year added, I don't really know. However, you want to peel that banana, but nonetheless, however you want to do that.
Speaker 1:It's very unique in that because it's always like, essentially, it's always new, like my truck, you know, and I have a truck. Okay, like my vehicle, I'll say my v. I need to start saying my vehicle rough. My vehicle has changed a lot of times like I can't imagine if I was only in like. So I think of my first three years and what I was doing and I just continually you know it got like, I got better and you can get better at it, like better at packing, better at organizing, better gear, better understanding, more efficient. And then you can start to realize like, do I want ease or comfort? You know, like, because you can't have both, but in three years you're either gonna have. I mean, I'd say in three years you probably didn't have a great experience with it, because there's no way you started off great and it's that sucks. Because then you see people like me and they're like, you know it's tough, because then I'm just so full of knowledge about it that I'm like well, you get this and this and this and this and this and this. That's 20 freaking years Like I've been doing it 20 years and you'll see people, you know there's a, there's a.
Speaker 1:There's a difference between your starting and what they're carrying, that they think they need or they want, and the person that's done it a long time and what they carry, that they need and what they don't. So there's a lot of stuff that's like real popular that I don't carry. There's also some pieces of equipment that I carry that I think a lot of people carry. There's also some pieces of equipment that I carry that I think a lot of people carry like out the gate and there's nothing like. Maxtracs is the example. I think MaxTracs and Rotopax are something I see pretty quick and you don't have a need for Rotopax unless you're driving a place where you're going to have to do extended travel without fuel stops. And or I have a diesel roto pack for my diesel heater so I don't have to go like, so I don't have to go back to town every day to put a gallon of diesel in the diesel heater, you know, but I don't know that you just start off there.
Speaker 1:Max tracks a lot of people get them and then just level their rig with them. Guys back in the day, like backtracks are not new but, like I say, back in the day, six years ago you just leveled your rig with a rock like rocks. You stacked rocks for real, uh, and a lot of people buy max tracks to level their rig and I either. Just a lot of times I find a new spot or, you know, rocks, a stick, whatever air, a tire down, like I don't use my, but I use my max tracks for recovery and they, I have used them. You can look at my max tracksxtrax for recovery and I have used them. You can look at my Maxtrax and go, yeah, used for recovery, like they're on the side of my truck and I use them. Hell, you can even look at the pins that my Maxtrax are on and be like I don't know. You can look at my stuff and go, this stuff gets used, period. There is nothing on my truck, nothing that's that's not got a flaw, like a scratch, a chip. Uh, like it gets used. It's a tool. I use it like a tool.
Speaker 1:You know, and I think that that's the thing too, when you're new, you're like gosh, I just spent all this money and now I'm gonna tear it up. Well, if you're only gonna be in years, yeah, there's stuff I've had for 10. Like, yeah, it's going to get messed up. I bought it so that it lasts through getting jacked up, so that's tough too. Like it's going to be a super expensive couple of years for you. That you never really that you never really kind of get off your feet if you do it two or three years. So it's probably tough, it's probably super tough actually.
Speaker 1:So that's that sucks really, like I wish some of you guys and life doesn't allow, like I said, people get promotions, people have kids, people buy a house, and now they can't, they don't have the extra income potentially. Or buy a house and now they can't, they don't have the extra income potentially, or you know they have. You know kid takes that away. You know time, whatever, you know, there's a number of things that you're going to have to pivot to make that hobby work for everybody too. That's just all there is to it. Like maybe you got it, maybe you had a two-door Jeep and now you have a family and you had to get rid of the Jeep, you know, but you didn't just buy a four-door Jeep too, like you bought a, whatever, something else, and now that's not really suitable. So it just it's tough because I'm having conversations.
Speaker 1:I've almost like lost sight of how that was 16 years ago for me. Not only was it starting now and I'm like, but you have the world at your fingertips in this hobby now, like I, essentially there was like overlanding, was like there wasn't all these tires, even like lifts were not the huge thing really, even like bigger tires, like 31, 32 inch tires you know, good year wranglers was like it kind of like. And then there was butt tires, butt tires, but they, a lot of those, weren't even dot approved. So you have a lot like of differences. Now, where you can, you can do a lot. There was like overlanding.
Speaker 1:Whenever I started in the us anyways, it was like a segue between camping and moving, like packing to move and and off-roading kind of, but not really because you couldn't build a rig like I, like a lot of us have now. Heck, you couldn't build a rig that was as good as a 4Runner is stock right now very affordably. It just wasn't the way stuff was. So I don't relate. I don't relate because I'm like you have so much stuff at your fingertips, but I guess it's that they don't know where to start and then when they find, or they never find where to start and that's why they get out of it so fast. That's a thought, you know, and we were just talking about it and I was like man, that is crazy, because I'm like every year I'm an experienced guy, you know I've been doing this a very long time, but not every year in my I'm talking, but every year I'm talking to a first year, second year person and that's crazy to me. Um, it just. I mean, it is, I don't. And again I don't relate. I don't, I can't relate. But over all the years I've got such a wide range of knowledge Like I think everybody wants to get a rooftop tent but I slept in a big Agnes tent for I had a big Agnes.
Speaker 1:What is a Bigfoot? Big foot, to think it was. I mean I still have it. But I had that for Dude, I don't even know long time, seven years probably now and before that I had like a Kelty I'd like a Kelty one person, like not ultralight, but like I was in the desert. So I didn't. It wasn't a four season tent, but it's like a Kelty one-person tent. And then before that I just had a bivvy sack, like I had a sleeping system and a bivy sack and I just laid on a pad Because again, I was in the desert.
Speaker 1:I mean you got to watch where you're at, because when you land on the ground in the desert there's stuff on the ground but scorpions and stuff. But again. Yeah, whatever, I've never been stung by one. Maybe it's luck, maybe it's divine intervention, who knows? But yeah, so and everybody, now they get into it. They're like, geez, you got a rooftop tent, that's you know x amount of dollars. That's crazy, but it's like yeah, not day one, though.
Speaker 1:Like, and they, but I don't think they believe you, I don't. I honestly, I think when I talk to people that are in their first couple of years and and I them that's not where I started I don't know that they believe me. I don't know that they believe it, but maybe they do. I don't know. But we just talked, we just mentioned it. It got me thinking. Like, as I was driving home last night, I was like, man, that is crazy, that's such a high turnover rate. Like can you imagine? So I got friends that got into golf.
Speaker 1:Okay, just, golf is a and I know nothing about golf. Like, I mean, I know about golf, like functionally, like you have gloves in a ball and you've got a, you've got a reserve, a tee time and there's a dress code. That's my want to know. But I know it takes a lot of practice and so, like, I have guys that got out of overlanding, that went, you know, once every month or two months, and got into golf. Well, it requires a lot of work and it's not cheap either. But like they didn't put that, they're putting that work into golf and I think it's just because they could go home right after. Like they're closer to home, um, and I think that travels the difference. But overlanding as a hobby is that's that is, the hobby is travel, so that's.
Speaker 1:Maybe people don't think that either. Like you're not gonna be close rarely, like it's you're gonna have to drive. Like in none of these videos, like freaking. If I had enough storage on my phone, I'd do a video of like here's what it looks like to get to the Ozarks. It'd be an eight hour long video and then everybody'd be like, oh man, like nobody's even watching it. Like, cause it's so much driving, so much driving, so much driving in gas stations and set up and take down and blah, blah. Like it's there's a lot. I mean there is a lot and I don't know if anybody really realizes that. But my point is is that these people get into golf or what a pickleball whatever, and they put a lot of time into it, well, to get better at it, but for some reason people don't think camping is something to get better at because it's not a sport. I guess maybe we should start looking at it more like that, because you can for sure get better. Uh, yeah, I mean, you can for sure get better.
Speaker 1:And if you have that kind of mindset, like even if you buy this stuff that you see other people have, you need to know you're probably not using it the same like, you don't have the same thought and you're not going to have the same experience of, like me, like my first sleeping pad wasn't even inflatable. I didn't have a thermarest inflatable sleeping bag pad, like little bitty one inflatable one for five years. So when I got my first thermarest sleeping pad that was probably like a half inch thick, I was like this is a game changer. So you gotta imagine I'm on a three inch thick memory foam mattress in my rooftop tent. That's aluminum. I'm like this is a maria, but like if you're comparing it to your bedroom and you don't have the experience of like coming up with the industry.
Speaker 1:That's tough and I don't know that you believe me. I don't know that you believe me. I don't know that you believe me, I don't know if you come into it. This in this point of the game, if you think I'm just full of crap, maybe, and then you're like or you look at somebody like me and you're like he just has money and I can't afford to keep up with that, well, you don't need to either. Like I've never looked down on somebody that's like I don't know, doing it a little different, because you've got to understand that what it is now and what it could look like is not where any of us that have done it for a long time started, not even close vehicle wise, even like vehicle wise, even like I've just been in it long enough to have made a vehicle work and that's a whole nother thing. Like I wasn't traveling nearly as much whenever like so modifying a vehicle is a catch-22 because I do all the work myself, which means I gotta have time, which is usually a weekend or an evening, but a weekend, and that's when I'd normally travel. But I'm building this vehicle so that I can travel comfortably or further or whatever.
Speaker 1:The whole build process of a vehicle is a time-consuming thing and so it's tough. Like I have my truck now and it's my. I had a Tacoma, then I had a Titan, then I went back to a Tacoma so like I kind of figured it out there. But I built the Titan out and now I'm building my Tacoma out. But my Tacoma is five years old. I'm six years old at this point and I I I mean the build, quote, unquote is pretty well done, like nothing needs done. I just my starters getting corroded, contacts from water crossings or age. Like my truck has 85,000 miles now, which for by no means for that truck is a lot, but I gotta put a starter in it and that's gonna be a few hour job and some hundreds of dollars. But that's just maintenance. It's not like, um, I gotta, you know, I'm tearing it apart, changing suspension, doing all these things. Then I gotta, you know, get it back, kind of sort of aligned, to get it to alignment shop so they can align it. I gotta have somebody bring me to work. The truck's done. I gotta take me back to the shop, pay for it, for the line man.
Speaker 1:Like I'm done with all the fab, like a lot of fabrication, larger thing stuff, and some stuff's changed and some stuff hasn't the whole time, you know as I, because I'm trying to get better at it and I don't even know where I'm going with this, but, like I guess I just wanted to try and explain, like, in two or three years time I don't think you can make enough progress. You know you won't have enough time to camp and progress at that, or enough time to build a vehicle and progress at that and put it all together in two or three years. More, enough time to build a vehicle and progress at that and put it all together in two or three years. So I think that coming into this hobby thing and you get to buy all this stuff and it's just going to come together and work out in this beautiful orchestra of success, that's not how it works. And it's not that you got to pay your dues or anything Like. You just got to spend the time on it Like you would with golf. That's the point I'm getting to like it's gonna suck at first. You're gonna suck at golf at first. Like you don't start out great, no matter what club you get, if your form sucks, you suck, you know, and there's some, there's some time by it.
Speaker 1:So he was talking about that and I was like man, that's just. That is true, but it blows my mind because I can think of two years ago and like trips I went on and how. That was like yesterday and some some yeah, that's crazy, that's like your whole entire like journey in one swoop and a lot of people buy a new vehicle to even start, which is its own insanity. That's crazy. It's crazy to me. That's just not a lot of time or enough time. So it made me think, like how I'm going to talk to people that are starting out, because I think it's tough when you're talking to people starting out next to my truck.
Speaker 1:Okay, like again, believe me or don't believe me but like 20 years of experience and the military too, and combat deployments and like I have a lot of out in the. You know I have a lot of camping experience too. Like I, it was work for me, I was an infantryman like that. If you don't know what that is, that's like a grunt, that's a, a door kicker, that's a rifleman, that's whatever. The people that hike with guns and do that stuff Outside Austere environments With a pack. You know, snowshoeing, skiing, hiking, dropping out, like fast roping a helicopter, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That's what I did in the military. So I also have that experience like but but it's hard to articulate, though that time in my life when you're standing next to this truck and me with all this stuff and all this knowledge, it's probably overwhelming. I mean it's definitely overwhelming because you're going to look at what I have and think that's what I got to get to. And that's not true either.
Speaker 1:I am a gear guy. I like gear, I like vehicles, I like to work on the vehicle as much as I like to use what I worked on the vehicle. So I'm constantly tinkering. You don't have to be that guy. Plenty of people put a puck lift on or even just a suspension lift tires, build their own stuff or have boxes and like it works fine, like you don't even need a roof rack, you just need roof bars. I mean you don't. What you need and what you want and what's ideal and what's workable are all different things and I know about about them all, because I mean there was times where the world wasn't at our fingertips, in overlanding. So you were making a lot of stuff and you were figuring it out.
Speaker 1:But as long as I've done this for just camping purposes and hunting purposes and just sightseeing purposes, I was still not. I was the last of my friends to get a rooftop tent still still and I got a super cheap not for season one to begin with, because I was like man, that's a lot of money for that when I've been doing it in this forever and it was fine and I think you could still I argue on the podcast yesterday, like now that I've gotten a taste of that comfort and that niceness, I like continue to try and improve on my rooftop tent situation. But I in a lot of ways wish I would have just got a gazelle and never looked back. But I can't go back now. But that is really a solution that requires no mounting. It's not, you know, it's lighter, it's I don't know.
Speaker 1:In a lot of ways I almost am disgusted with myself that I've become so quote-unquote, bougie, and I've lost some of the, some of the spirit of what it is. You know, because a gazelle tan absolutely work for you and nice like man. No know, because a gazelle tent would absolutely work for you and nice Like man. It would absolutely work Like a gazelle and a couple foldable cots or air mattress and you'd be fine, you'd be absolutely fine. And my gazelle even has a waterproof bag. So I just strap it on the top and it would be totally fine.
Speaker 1:But now there's a couple things that I think that you want you need. And that's a couple of things that I think that you want you need that's a compressor and a fridge and a power station or onboard power. But I mean you really, when you think about it tires, gazelle, air mattress, sleeping bag, coal, main, cook stove, pot, pan, cooking utensils, paper plates, work fine Fridge, air compressor move on about your day. I mean there's some other nuanced stuff that you're going to want. Move on about your day, you can probably go. I mean there's some other nuanced stuff that you're going to want, like some soft shackles and a few tools if you needed to do something. But I mean you can fit it in one tub. You could overland out of one tub and a compressor and a fridge.
Speaker 1:So again, I'm a gear person and it's almost tough for me because I want to teach you guys a lot. But I have a lot. You don't need a lot. So, like, if you're the person that's at year one or two and you listen to my podcast, don't think gear is what you need right now. The experience is what you need. Just go with what you have and you'll learn that you may either A don't need what you think you want or you don't need that thing for that. So, like you may want this and go more and you're going to learn more from going.
Speaker 1:And if you think that it's going to be an exponentially better experience with something and I have that something, dude, ask me about it, because there's plenty of stuff I've spent money on and it wasn't any better. Like it didn't. It is a better product, but it didn't make the experience any better. So it's like why did I spend the money? But let me spend that money. Well, I already have. So that you don't you're like, yeah, now I got to deal with Facebook marketplace. You know to get rid of it, or you never get rid of it and just hang on to it. It's collecting dust. So, anyways, long rant, super long rant just talking about you know something, but it's just on my mind. I just let it go.
Speaker 1:And if you guys have any questions, I do have somebody texting, so, closing, I do have somebody texting me talking about how they're having issues with a VPN and downloaded my podcast, and I know you're listening. Tell me who you are next time you text me, because when I get a text. It just shows the last four digits of the number. I can't see who it is or the full number. To even figure it out, let me next time you text a podcast, or text the podcast today, tell me who you are so I can get in contact with you personally so we can try and figure that out. They're having trouble getting playback on my podcast while they're on their vpn and I and they said, why is that just my podcast? And I was was like I have no idea, just so you know. Like I haven't replied to you, but like I have no clue. But let me know who you are so I can find you somewhere else on social media, because I also am interested. Why that's the case? I don't know, I have no idea. Actually, Maybe my podcast muted in some places for some reason. I don't know, I have no idea, so text me.
Speaker 1:Lastly, everybody else, you can text the podcast. Just as I just said before, I don't know who you are when you text the podcast, unless you tell me, um, unless you explicitly say, hey, this is such and such from so-and-so place. You know, I don't know who you are, I, I can't text back. So the pod, the text of podcast is a one way street. I get it, I talk about it. I can't text you back.
Speaker 1:Um, if you want to talk with me, you can talk with me on outskirts, overland, via Facebook or Instagram, like messenger chat, and I'll reply to you Like it's super easy for me to do and I do it all the time like messenger chat, and I'll reply to you like it's super easy for me to do and I do it all the time. So go ahead and drop a comment, drop a like a review. Um, if you do text a podcast, just if you care to let me know who you are, go ahead and do that. If you don't, it doesn't bother me. Either way, um, I'll still talk about your subject, I'll still address what you have and I will catch you guys tomorrow. For Friday have a great Thursday while you look forward to the weekend. Catch you guys later.
