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Rooftop Tent Value: Quality vs. Cost , A reflection of my 100 nights in a rooftop tent podcast
The value proposition of rooftop tents has become increasingly complex as the market expands, but are premium brands truly worth their hefty price tags? Drawing from my 250+ nights of first-hand experience across multiple tent styles, this raw and honest exploration challenges conventional wisdom about quality versus cost in overlanding equipment.
When I break down my $3,000 tent to a per-night cost over 100 camping outings, the numbers tell a compelling story – one that has me questioning my previous assumptions about investment in premium gear. What's particularly fascinating is how many emerging brands in the $1,200-2,000 range now incorporate features that rival or even surpass their more expensive counterparts, from quality mattresses and blackout materials to properly sealed seams and functional design elements.
The revelation that nearly all rooftop tents (with rare exceptions like Go Fast Camper) originate from overseas manufacturing facilities regardless of price point further disrupts the narrative that you must pay premium prices for premium quality. This isn't about finding the cheapest option – it's about identifying which features actually matter for your camping style and finding the tent that delivers those essentials without unnecessary markup.
This episode offers practical guidance for navigating the rooftop tent market with a value-oriented mindset, examining specific features worth paying for and which might be marketing hype. Whether you're considering your first tent purchase or weighing an upgrade, you'll gain frameworks for evaluating options across price points and determining what constitutes genuine value for your overlanding adventures.
I'd love to hear your experiences with different rooftop tent brands and what features have proven most important to you. Share your thoughts via email or social media, and let's build a community-driven resource for finding the best value in overlanding gear!
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to the Outskirts Overland podcast. It is Tuesday, august 5th. I'm trying to get back on a more regular schedule here for you guys, so just wanted to hop back on again today. Yesterday I talked about kind of just how I get ready and stuff. Man, I got a lot of feedback. So I appreciate that. Guys, a lot of feedback about how to keep my water from freezing. So hopefully I have a couple more ideas to help with that and that would be freaking awesome because that's been a I don't know, that's just not been something I've gotten figured out yet yet. So hopefully that's a non-issue now, after just talking about it yesterday, which would be fantastic. So, yeah, I've been. You know I'm doing what I always do same same old old, no research and stuff, going through it, whatnot. And uh, I I did that episode last week about, after a hundred nights in a rooftop tent, what I learned. And I just keep coming back to it because I I have learned so much that now I'm looking at now having redone all the seals and redone the waterproofing, and I'm looking at stuff and I'm starting to notice some differences here. I'm starting to look at tent seams and see ones that come from the factory, glued versus taped. If it has ports for a heater or air conditioning, you know like if it has a cylindrical port that you could put an input into it. How's that closed? How's that insulated? What do the seam seals look like around that? I have a wedge style tent. Now, what wedge style tents offer? Um kind of more like rainfly coverage so that you can have your windows cracked when it's raining so you don't get an abundance of moisture.
Speaker 1:What rooftop tents come with air mattresses versus fixed mattresses? What ones come with enough room to pack your bedding in them when you close them? I just these are there's like nothing. None of this is new or revolutionary, but I started, I've started to look and I'm starting to kind of see that there are definitely some. There are definitely some brands that are taking feedback or at least listening to things Like my podcast Not, they haven't changed their design In five minutes. You know Like they Um, not like they haven't changed their design in five minutes. You know like they didn't listen to my podcast and change their design. But there are tents out, there are tent brands out there with fixed mattresses that are thicker that you could put bedding in that still aren't too heavy, that have ports and blackout material and they have. You know, the seams are glue, welded and sewn versus sewn and tape, you know, and like tape, seam sealed stuff like that, like that's huge benefits.
Speaker 1:And, to be honest, some of the brands that I'm seeing with these things are not the brands you would think. They're the cheaper brands, man, the less expensive brands, the less expensive brands. So that makes me think that they're making a product that's taking into account what people want, and either the bigger brands are making a greater profit or the brands that are a little less expensive right now are trying to get brand recognition one or the other. But so I mean I'm kind of the more and more I look, you know, and I always go back to looking because I'm just not comfortable in my. I really want my rooftop tent to work Okay, like I want it to be the, the, I want it to be the one that works for me. I want cause it's on there right, like it's what I bought, it's what I got.
Speaker 1:I'm not somebody that gets a bunch of free stuff, like I can't just have four rooftop tents to try out, you know, and I really want it to work for me, but every single time I go camping I'm like man, it would be so nice if you know there's some ifs, like you know. But and I just keep keep kind of trying to find for lack of a better term the unicorn amidst the market which is just, you know, you get in the markets very, very few and far between anything's different. Anyways, like so many brands you know, just have rebranded tents and I mentioned that in my, you know, hunter Knights recap. There, like so many brands, just have the same tent. So you're going to look at dimensions, you're going to look at how high it pops up, how it out, the footprint, like it's the same tent, like period, like you're going to see that all the time. So some of the things that I think you can look at that are going to set things apart are, you know, mattress, blackout material, like the some things that they could use to upgrade.
Speaker 1:Do I still think? I still think that? Uh, do I still think? I still think that? What's the word? I still think they're all coming from you know two or three different suppliers, but I do appreciate the companies that are, at least you know, spending the extra. Who knows what you know. Let's for just the sake of conversation, let's call it you know $200. They're spending the extra $200 total to get the higher quality material. You know the ports for the heaters, because it's very prevalent now, and stuff like that. You know, like that's notable, that's reputable, like that's a nice thing they're doing. But I keep coming back to rooftop tents and I talk about rooftop tents a lot.
Speaker 1:I mean and again, I don't have a trailer and trailers have more going on with them than rooftop tents do. Okay, so like I'm sure there's a huge quality, like I'm sure there's a huge quality, like I'm sure there's a huge quality and, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Not benefit, but uh, add-ons. Like I'm sure there's a lot more add-ons, which means there could potentially be more takeaways from options. There's way more options with trailers this mattress versus that mattress, versus this material, versus these windows, versus this insulation XYZ. There's got to be more to that when it comes to trailers than rooftop tents, just because there's more moving parts Tires, wheels, axles, shocks no shocks fenders, steel, steel construction, aluminum construction. So I'm not here to say, like rooftop tents got all this going on.
Speaker 1:Ground tents are the same way I look, I look at backpacking stuff. You know, bike camping stuff, adv bike camping stuff, ground tents, like there's a lot that goes on there but everything's you know you kind of are in the same thing, like a lot of it looks the same but if you look at the specs they're not the same and you got to kind of familiarize yourself with what those things are to know if, to know what you're looking at. So what I've been doing um of recent is I listen to my. So I don't want this to sound like egotistical or pompous or anything along those lines.
Speaker 1:I listen to my podcast. When I release it I re-listen to it because while I'm doing it that doesn't really give me a chance to like take notes or anything. And I don't do a scripted podcast. Guys Like, and nor do I think that would even be genuine Like reading from a script. I don't do it.
Speaker 1:So I go back and I listen to my own stuff and I listened to my own podcast about a hundred nights. So I'm almost this is almost my own review of my own podcast, about my own experience. This, people, is what we call reflection, self-reflection. But I was listening to my own podcast and I keep looking at tents and even in my podcast, like, while I'm doing that podcast, here's my mental state. I'm going I am somebody that uses this stuff a lot, maybe I should just spend the extra money and get the you know, supposedly better thing.
Speaker 1:And as I listened to the podcast my own podcast I thought you know really what I came to the conclusion of as a listener not while I was doing it, you know I didn't come to this conclusion doing it but I need to find a tent. That's. That's. I need to find the best quality and features. I can like try to find the best quality and features I can for the least money, instead of expecting the you know, quote unquote more higher quality, you know, ie more expensive tent to just essentially survive the apocalypse. I think there's a lot of lower, lower priced, high quality tents because I think they're all made kind of the same place. So I've kind of I kind of went from like oh, I'm going to get an even more expensive tent because it's going to work better, to actually let me start looking at these up and coming brands that are less expensive, because they definitely do have some features, and maybe I just roll with that thing for a hundred nights and see how that goes.
Speaker 1:Because when you look at it, like when I look at it, or think about it, say I've got a $3,000 tent and I've done a hundred nights, okay, so, and it's, and it's mine's not, mine's still functional, like mine, still works, like it's not done, it's not ripped, it's not broke, okay. But let's say I get a hundred nights out of it, just for the sake of conversation, and we're going to talk math. I get 100 nights out of it. It's $3,000. Plus there's some labor involved. Just putting it on, taking it off, nothing crazy. An hour Okay, let's call it an hour, and some cussing, but that's about 300 bucks a night. And now I'm already going.
Speaker 1:You know, maybe I want to do something different and here's what I'm looking for, knowing what I know now. You know, I've owned a hard shell foldout, soft shell foldout and now a hard shell wedge style. So I've had three tents, right. So I've spent 100 nights in the one I currently have. I've had three tents, right. So I've spent a hundred nights in the one I currently have. I've probably got in a rooftop tent, probably 200 and two I'll call it 200 plus. I don't want to say 250, but I'm thinking probably 250 nights in rooftop tents total, and I couldn't tell you like unanimously, that I've heard of one that's the one to have.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of back and forth, like I like this one, I like that one, but typically what you're hearing is confirmation bias. I like X that I have because that's all any of us know, and I'm going so now listening again, listening to my own podcast. I'm going so now listening again, listening to my own podcast. I'm going, you know, maybe I give one of these Amazon tents, maybe I give one of these up and coming brands a shot to see if and this is exactly what I thought Now is it $1,700, $1,200 for one of those tents? Yes, but say a hundred nights. Let's just say a hundred nights, because it it's. This is a statistic I'm using. I'm going from $300 a night to potentially a hundred, to $150 a night for a thousand dollars to, you know, $1,500 tent. That cuts Now again, no crap, charlie, you cut the total price in half.
Speaker 1:Now for me and my you know squirrel brain here, I that doesn't compute as much as I think of like I don't want to spend the money on a hotel. $300 a night's an expensive hotel, $150 a night is a more reasonable hotel. Okay, so that's how I think of it, like everything's travel, and it's where I'm sleeping and it's what I'm using and essentially I'm living out of it and I want it to be good, but I need it to fit my budget and for for as long as it's lasts. So if every time you know, every a hundred nights, even 200 nights, I can go to $50 a night or $150 a night you know what I mean it's kind of crazy when you think of it that way or $75 a night, at that point it starts to lean me towards what kind of guy am I, what kind of person am I and what matters to me? Am I and what matters to me, you know? And quite frankly, when I, when it comes down to it, do I think that the $1,500 tent is twice as bad as the $3,000 tent? No, so I think there is a time and place where, like product quality and price have like a, the deviation isn't as big as the price difference and to make sense of that, I don't think the $3,000 tent, $4,000 tent, is two times better and has that much better stuff than the $1,500 tent, like you could find some $1,500 tents with on paper. Now again, guys, I can't own all these tents to test them. And by all means, listen, share, do whatever you do so I can have a million people listen to this and I'll get tents and I'll review them, like I'll let you guys know, I'm not putting them all on my truck. I'll open, I'll make a platform, a roll cart platform, and I'll open them up in my, in my yard or something.
Speaker 1:But to look at them, I know what I'm looking at. Does it have seam seal tape? Does it have ports? Does it have? What kind of zippers does it have? Are they ykk? Does it have um? Does that? What kind of ladder does it have? Is it aluminum? Is it powder coated? What do we got going on there? Is it collapsible? Is it slide out? What do the hinges look like? What do the latches look like? You know, like all of this stuff seam seals, waterproof blackout material, mattress, condensation, mat, like these are all things that matter. But you can find it. Okay, not every cheaper brand has it, but hell, not even every more expensive brand has all those things.
Speaker 1:So now I'm like man. I might be looking for the value, like the value product, and that doesn't mean the cheapest one. Even if I found a $22,000 tent $2,200 tent versus a $3,800 to $4,000 tent that's still a noticeable savings per night. Based off a hundred nights Okay, like we could base it off 200 nights. Whatever the math mass like it doesn't matter how you divide it out, it still is more affordable per night.
Speaker 1:So the more I listened to my own podcast, I was like I'd been looking Alucab. I mean, I even said it. I'd been looking one way and I immediately I listen to my own podcast. I've sat and thought about it for four or five days now and went I'm looking in the wrong direction. I'm headed in the wrong direction Myself.
Speaker 1:Maybe what I need to be doing is looking for the value, like what you know what tent costs the right amount for for my personality, I guess more or less I'm not that fancy. I don't live out of my truck. Okay, like, I don't live in it. I will come back home. So what has the features I want at a price that's digestible?
Speaker 1:You know, for $3,000, $4,000, I got to save for quite a while. At $1,000 to $1,500, I can make that happen a lot quicker. That other $1,000 to $2,000 is the harder to save for and I also don't want to have a tent that takes me a hundred nights worth of time. You know, if the tent's going to last a hundred nights, I don't want to have to save more than a hundred nights worth of time to buy it. You know the juice I say this statement all the time but like, the juice has to be worth the squeeze. How long is it going to take me to save for it versus how long is it going to last me? So 100 nights in this tent's been a little over a year, okay. If it's going to take me more than a year to save up $4,000, well, that just obviously isn't worth it. So, like, the value's not there in that sense, if it's going to take me two months to save up $1,000 and I still get 100 nights out of it, I've gotten so much more time of enjoying it. At least that's how I see it.
Speaker 1:So and I've recommended swags to people, and if you're the type of person that that works for, the value's there for that too, you know you can even get ground tents that cost $1,000. That $1,000 to $1,500 range is one of the ranges I'm really passionate about, you know. Like I'll say, $1,000 to $1,500. Let's call it $1,000 to $1,500. Let's call it $1,200 to $2,000. Because, in reality, ship to your door, that's probably more what you're looking at. But you can get a ground tent that costs that much and for a little bit more money than a ground tent you could have a rooftop tent that's aluminum. Some of them come with crossbars, even If that's something that's a must for you. I mean, you got top oak nature nest trust made like. These are brands that I that I'm looking at, that I'm seeing that are in that more affordable price range. Some of them you can order at lowes or home depot like. So you could use your lowes's or Home Depot card, you know, finance them for potentially 0%. I'm not a big fan of financing anything, um, but at 0% is free money. So if that's an option, but due to places that are that are selling them, that's an option.
Speaker 1:I listened to I just wanted to kind of recap myself on my own podcast, um, cause I listened to my own one and what I came down to is like, well, maybe I'm looking at it wrong, like I'm looking at throwing money at it and hoping it's better, instead of now. Now with experience, you know, now with way more experience in what I'm looking at, trying to find the least expensive with the features I want. I don't need the fluff when you're looking at a car. I'm looking at the features I want, versus paying more for the color I want, for instance, or paying more for the color I want, for instance, you know, or paying more for the you know the badge on the front. You know, am I looking for features and buying a Toyota, or am I looking for the same features and buying a Mercedes? You know, and at some point you are just paying for. You know, you're just paying for what it, what it is and whose names on it and just the status quo for that.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I just felt like I need to get on and talk about it myself, because I and again, you guys only listen to it. You don't know what's going on with me while I'm doing it, but in my mind I'm doing that podcast, thinking I need to find the extreme user highest quality. But also, as I dissect my own thoughts while I'm doing the podcast, you know in my mind that's what I'm thinking. You know there's these companies that make this stuff that's like really high quality and it's expensive, and X, y and Z. There's also a lot of brands that are half that price with similar, like you know, not the same quality, but a little less quality for half the price. That's the place you need to be looking. Those are the questions you need to be asking. Those are the things you need to look at.
Speaker 1:So I haven't started. So I have started this research and I've started developing some lists of things that matter to me. Like you know, as far as genuine content goes, I don't ever want to seem like I'm selling you guys anything, because I'm not. So I've tried to generate lists based off things that matter to me. I will start talking about those products and what I'm seeing in price points and in no way shape or form to to.
Speaker 1:I mean for nothing really, but you guys, because I think it's worth you guys seeing the comparison of like here's a tent for $1,500 and here's or here's all his features. This compares to this tent at 4,000. And at that it's like, bro, for $2,500 extra. I can live with maybe a little less of something. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money. You can buy a deck system, a fridge and a power station and a tent for just what the other tent would have cost. That's getting there, guys. That's getting there. That makes a difference. And again, I'm not Mr Budget, but I'm also not Mr Stupid with his money.
Speaker 1:I can't help but to have this podcast in reaction, my own reaction to re-listening to what, what I put out and how it sounded to me. So if you guys got something, I mean do some research. Now, I'm not saying that the research I've done on rooftop tents has been quick. It takes some time you got to look through specs. Sometimes the spec tabs aren't even that easy to get to. Like. I'm always trying to find mattress matters to me, Sleep quality matters to me, so I'm always looking to try and find a mattress. Specs Guys, I'm not saying it's always the easiest to find. You know some of these brands are are are missing the boat on how they're making information available for products that really could be more popular if the information was easier to obtain, because we can't go touch stuff. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So but I am starting to put together lists with like features and I'll probably start releasing some of that to you guys, because I'm all about, like, just gear that works Like it doesn't need to be the most expensive or the cheapest, I don't care if it's either way, I just want it to be good. And good doesn't mean it has to be like you know, a, like a I don't know generational brand or whatever. Like there's other companies that are cutting costs, like cutting it in half because they're taking a lesser profit, or they're I don't really know how they're doing it. You know, I don't work in the logistics of it, but there's definitely products out there, feature for feature, and I looked in.
Speaker 1:This is one thing I looked at just as just as individual that I am. I was like you know, what's worth it to me is like truly American made and I think I mentioned that in the. I did mention that in the rooftop tent podcast like I'm looking for a for real, true American-made tent and I found a whole lot of them assembled in the USA. So everything's coming imported. So baseline there is, it's all imported first off. So, looking at it with that lens, like you got nothing, that's like you're not. Like if I buy this other tent, am I potentially taking jobs from fellow americans? No, you're not.
Speaker 1:The only fully american-made tent that I have found that's completely and totally made in the USA is the go fast camper. They make a rooftop tent, they make the go fast camper top too, but the lead time is 12 to 14 weeks and I and I only use I only am dropping that name brand because I love go fast camper and I'd love to have one and it is fully American made and made and assembled in America. The lead time is long and that tent is expensive too, but that's again, as most of you guys know. If you're, if you're in America and you're looking for American made, you know industry. It does typically cost a little bit more money because it is cheaper to do it overseas. But as far as I've found okay, that doesn't mean that's that's accurate to the reality of everything. But as far as I've found, okay, that doesn't mean that's accurate to the reality of everything, but as far as I've found, go Fast Camper makes the only rooftop tent that I have found that's fully made in the USA. Everything else is made overseas. So with that scope in line, like you know, baseline zero, they're all made overseas somewhere. What makes this one overseas $4,000 and this one's $2,000.
Speaker 1:And then I just start breaking down features. You know, what does this have, what does that have, what's the footprint and you'll start to find like a lot of them are the same, the same tent, and then you can just really compare the same tent against itself from a different distributor and sometimes there's $500 price difference. And again, I'm sure they're different colors sometimes, so the fabric's got to be slightly different. But you can look at that and then research, you know, what does you know what does this fabric thickness mean versus this one? And and I mean Google, chat, gpt, whatever, is going to give you the, the synopsis of that, and then you can kind of determine, you know, is it worth 500 bucks for that different material or this different material, or they all talk about their coatings and different things, and you can just, okay, like open another tab like chad, gpt, what's this material, what's this material, what's this coding like? Let it tell you Google, whatever, whatever your flavor is, and then you can start to get like real data right there in real time.
Speaker 1:It's a cool time to be alive on, like what it is, and then you can decide if that matters to you, like what matters to you this better fabric, this coding, or that thousand dollars, and that's a conversation that I think you should all have. You know. I think that conversation should occur with suspensions. I think that conversation should occur with almost anything Like, yeah, like this is the name brand and it's tried and true, but, like they, everybody else has knocked it off. Is it worth? Is it worth it? Like, what's it worth? Like, where do you sit? Where do you sit morally? And then where do you sit financially? Matter and how you think about it. You know those things are in the market, so it's not going to go out of the market based on your one sale. Unfortunately, we're not all that important. You know, as consumers we are all important, but there's not enough of us in a mass scale to like shift the market away from a brand going out of business or something like that, unless we all did so.
Speaker 1:It's just a thought I have and with some of the brands now having supply issues and stuff, it just it just given me time to be like you know I'll just go on Google and search rooftop tent, like and just look at them, all you know and just start shifting through because I don't want to buy again. I don't want to buy again and not be happy with what I got for the money I spent and I'm not unhappy with what I got for the money I spent right now, because at the time of which I did it I didn't know what I know now I've probably done another 150 nights in a rooftop tent over the previous three years Two years, three years. This year I did it in a rooftop tent over the previous three years two years, three years. This year I did it in a year. So I think that matters. Like I'm starting to pick up my frequency quite a bit with it and I want something that's gonna last me for that, like that pace so, and that might lead me to spend way more money. But I think I am going to shoot my shot with something in the in the lower budget range and see how it, how it pans out for me, and I may even, you know, in some ways like it better because I didn't spend the money on it. You know what I mean. Like I'm not going.
Speaker 1:You know, if my tent was having the issues it's having right now it's $1,200. I probably wouldn't think the same about it. I'd be like, well, whatever you know, like you know, I'd maintain it. Whatever is $1,200. Comparatively Now, the $1,200 is nothing, but I would think different about it for sure. What stuff costs depends on how I feel about when I got to mess with it or if I think I should be messing with it for the money it costs. It just is a and again, I'm not unhappy with the one. I have it. It works. I mean, it does work and I don't dislike it. There's just things about it that that are in the market now that weren't when I got it. You know that I think would be nice to have now and I think that pretty much we're at the point now where, like all the research from 2020, 2021, 2022 is is is coming to market, you know, in 2025. So there's some stuff that's out now that wasn't out a year or two ago, features that we didn't even know we wanted. So I'm starting to develop that list.
Speaker 1:But guys, you guys seem to be active, like. I've gotten comments on my last two podcasts, like, and I appreciate it. Let me know what you guys are seeing, what do you guys have, what do you guys like? What are you guys noticing? Shoot me messages. Seems like you guys all message me on facebook and instagram. Email the podcast, text the podcast. You know whatever. Charlie at Outskirts Overland's email. You can text the podcast below Let me know what you guys are seeing. What do you guys got going on? What are brands you guys are noticing? What do you have that you think you know?
Speaker 1:If you are on your second rooftop tent, what's better about the one you have now or was better about the one you had before? I think those are all conversations we could have. Heck, I'd have somebody on Like tell me your experiences. What do you have? What have you thought? What's going on with it? You know we can start to determine if we're all in the same boat or if there's actually something superior, which is what I would like to find. Like where's the place where we could find the better thing for the, the most value?
Speaker 1:I don't want to say cheap, because cheap typically will include quality. I want to find the best quality for the best price. That's what I'm always looking at for everything. You know. I even looked at like what's it costs for somebody to make me a rooftop tent, like there's people that sell them and make them and stuff. Like what's that look like and and I mean quite frankly, like some of these higher quality, quote-unquote higher quality, supposed higher quality name brands. Like you can have one made for that four thousand dollar price range.
Speaker 1:So you just aren't gonna get free shipping on that. And sometimes you get free shipping on tents, which is a whole nother thing you got to look at Like shipping can be a fortune when they ship it. Do they ship it in cardboard or they ship it in a crib like wooden crate, like I've seen enough damage to rooftop tents getting shipped Like that matters, like it all matters. Man, um and now, knowing what I know after what five years in a rooftop tent, four years in a rooftop tent like been doing this 20, got a lot of experience in a lot of things. Rooftop tents is not something I have a lot of experience in. It hasn't been in the U S forever. So, yeah, I just worth.
Speaker 1:I felt like it was worth getting my own self reflection of that podcast on the air too, because I'm sure some of you guys were listening to it, thinking kind of kind of coming to the same conclusion I was and I didn't think I was concluding that while I was doing it. That's all. So I'll catch you guys later, probably tomorrow. Have a great day, have a great Tuesday and keep it real guys. Make sure you're getting outside. This weather is something to be cherished. It's awesome. I'll catch you guys later. Bye.
